Water filtration where plumb in isn't possible

[Kevo]

Wow, what round are we up to now?
I've lost count of the "bell-rings".

Just reconfirms as to why I don't post on this forum much.

Forum: A medium to discuss, debate and confer, not for abuse and denigration.

[TC]

Let me try and explain it another way...

To others- Yes, have your water tested so you can make the right choices.

FF. My post was to inform others that drinking water filters are often unsuitable for espresso machines in Australia. It's not about you and frankly, I couldn't give a hoot what filter you choose. Get over it.

Here's another Doulton for you.

[MrFreddofrog]

While this is a handy resource and it's great that they provide this information any plumber, water quality or water filtration expert worth their salt will tell you that it doesn't always equate to the same numbers at the tap in your house. To be absolutely sure you should get the water from your tap tested as it's quality will be specific to your house and may even be different to your neighbours. There's been a lot of debate about this already over the years on various forums and even most who don't believe things are as bad as what some people might make out still agree that the best approach is one of caution.

True, this is a real debatable topic rather than Talk-Coffees searching for an argument where non exists. Is it better to get your own individual water tested which most people will only ever do once or to rely on the government body to test the source regularly. Any statistician will tell you one data point is worth sweet FA. Being a data based guy, I lean towards more data equalling more reliable though I can understand why people would still choose to measure their own water, be it only once.

[MrFreddofrog]

WOW, you still don't get it. Let me try and explain it another way. My post was NEVER about me and my filter. It was about the lack of integrity in the water filtration business. Comment about this rather than playing keyboard warrior and looking for arguments where non exists.

EDIT: btw I have no interest in Doulton, I wish I did. They have been around since the 1840s, so getting close to 200 years. Obviously they must be doing something right.

[artman]

You can get water hardness test strips, would be worthwhile to confirm the hardness in the house.

Cheers

[herzog]

Definitely 'something' in the water in WA.....

Haha. You win the internets for today.

[Caps]

Definitely 'something' in the water in WA.....

[LeroyC]

You don't need to have it tested. Unlike other states it seems, the WA Water Corp does a great job of publishing water quality data. You can either grab their latest annual report or just call them up and ask for their latest test results. Give them your address and they'll pin point which reservoir you get your water from. Here is the latest annual report but I'm pretty sure they do quarterly testing also. You want Appendix C - table 3 for hardness testing. If your kettle is fine then I'm guessing your water isn't coming from Two Rocks or Yanchep. Those places are off the charts

While this is a handy resource and it's great that they provide this information any plumber, water quality or water filtration expert worth their salt will tell you that it doesn't always equate to the same numbers at the tap in your house. To be absolutely sure you should get the water from your tap tested as it's quality will be specific to your house and may even be different to your neighbours. There's been a lot of debate about this already over the years on various forums and even most who don't believe things are as bad as what some people might make out still agree that the best approach is one of caution.

[TC]

Doulton make drinking water filters and yours is a drinking water filter. Pure and simple..

Because you clearly still don't get it , without additional softening your suggestion is for the overwhelming majority of Australia's land mass unsuitable. Do you need to declare an interest in Douton?

Now stop being a silly and go have a decaf. We have sufficient boolsheet here without you adding to it.

[MrFreddofrog]

Why are you banging on about this? Just in case you still don't get it, as per my original post, water filtration is a dodgy area and make sure you verify any claims.

That was my ONLY recommendation. You should re-read my original post and stop putting words in other people's mouths.

The only reason I mentioned my filter is because Doulton was the ONLY company I found that independently tests their products. If you know of any others please do enlighten all of us.

[TC]

Yes mate, I know that. It's why we recommend that it's best to know your water prior to choosing the wrong solution for your circumstances.

Incorrect filtration in many locations leeds to severe scaling. If our recommendations are taken as a generalisation, no harm will be done. On the other hand, if yours are, significant damage may occur. What I'm pretty sure is that my experience of thousands of machines including hundreds in Perth probably exceeds your experience of perhaps a handful in your house.

I couldn't give a toss whether we sell filters or not and if you think sales of them pay the rent, dreamin'. I do however care when a client calls with a dead machine and the cause is poor water.

Perth techs pick up the pieces for ill-informed espresso machine owners each day. I speak to them on a weekly basis. We recommend that owners ensure that they educate themselves to protect their machine. It saves us all the tedious work of removing scale.

So, just in case you didn't understand it, drinking water filters are not suitable for espresso machines in areas where TH and/or TDS are high.

[MrFreddofrog]

This is concerning for me. I am in Perth and have a 3 stage filtration system called "hi flow" it does have softening according to the tech sheet, however I haven't had my water tested?

Where can I have my water tested? as I would hate to kill my machine prematurely due to poor water, as I thought I had taken the necessary precautions with filtration already.

My kettle is six years old an has been using the filtered water since day 1 and there is no scale at all inside it. Is this indicative of good water or not really?

You don't need to have it tested. Unlike other states it seems, the WA Water Corp does a great job of publishing water quality data. You can either grab their latest annual report or just call them up and ask for their latest test results. Give them your address and they'll pin point which reservoir you get your water from. Here is the latest annual report but I'm pretty sure they do quarterly testing also. You want Appendix C - table 3 for hardness testing. If your kettle is fine then I'm guessing your water isn't coming from Two Rocks or Yanchep. Those places are off the charts

[MrFreddofrog]

Unless it's a softening filter, it still doesn't do a zac for hardness. Even if it does, it may still be unsuitable.

Drinking water filters are not suitable for espresso machines in areas where TH and/or TDS are high. I suggest you have a read over Filtration | Talk Coffee and use the information as applicable to your specific circumstances. For much of Perth, the only acceptable solutions are RO, remineralised RO or filtered bottled.

Choose to ignore it? Not my problem....

Perth- where espresso machines go to die...Said it before, say it again...

You really should stop spreading misinformation and unhelpful comments such as "Perth- where espresso machines go to die..." If you care to be educated you should read the The Water Corps annual water quality reports and see Perth water hardness is actually very variable and localised depending on your source reservoir. (My water hardness is fine, but thanks for asking)

Or you can choose to ignore my advice and continue to make sweeping generalisations and use fear tactics to con people into buying equipment they may not actually need. But as you say, not my problem.

[Boggas]

Unless it's a softening filter, it still doesn't do a zac for hardness. Even if it does, it may still be unsuitable.

Drinking water filters are not suitable for espresso machines in areas where TH and/or TDS are high. I suggest you have a read over Filtration | Talk Coffee and use the information as applicable to your specific circumstances. For much of Perth, the only acceptable solutions are RO, remineralised RO or filtered bottled.

Choose to ignore it? Not my problem....

Perth- where espresso machines go to die...Said it before, say it again...

This is concerning for me. I am in Perth and have a 3 stage filtration system called "hi flow" it does have softening according to the tech sheet, however I haven't had my water tested?

Where can I have my water tested? as I would hate to kill my machine prematurely due to poor water, as I thought I had taken the necessary precautions with filtration already.

My kettle is six years old an has been using the filtered water since day 1 and there is no scale at all inside it. Is this indicative of good water or not really?

[TC]

True. I meant I have a separate 5 micro filter before the Doulton. Reduces the load on the Doulton and 5 micron filters are as cheap as chips. Iirc the company even threw one in for free that's how cheap they are.

Unless it's a softening filter, it still doesn't do a zac for hardness. Even if it does, it may still be unsuitable.

Drinking water filters are not suitable for espresso machines in areas where TH and/or TDS are high. I suggest you have a read over Filtration | Talk Coffee and use the information as applicable to your specific circumstances. For much of Perth, the only acceptable solutions are RO, remineralised RO or filtered bottled.

Choose to ignore it? Not my problem....

Perth- where espresso machines go to die...Said it before, say it again...