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  • #31
    Originally posted by BISHY View Post
    Think... I'm down to a pro 500 or rocket premium v3 PID.

    love some feedback / thoughts on these two and which may be better way to go or am I splitting hairs?
    Thanks for your visit to our store, Keiran. I trust you've had a run down with Renzo on both models?

    Maybe if we'd know what you like and dislike in both we can share our thoughts on which one might be better for you.

    Cheers
    Ofra

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    • #32
      Yes chatted to Renzo.

      I like the quality of the pro 500 and the reputation it has. Its very stable temp control.

      i like the PID usability and the styling of the V3.

      after seeing these machines with Renzo i do not like lever switches for the steam / hot water. I liked the turn knobs the best so i can manage how much is coming out rather then on/off. Rocket Appartmento knobs i like the best but im happy to settle for the others with their better features.

      i assume start up times are very similar.

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      • #33
        Thanks for sharing, Keiran

        At the end of the day, after all specs analysis is placed on the table, it is YOUR initial attraction, user preferability, aesthetics preferences and overall perception that will become the deciding factors between such 2 incredibly well built, reputable, with similar internals and reliable machines.

        It is YOU who will wake up in the next 10 years to that machine on your bench. You want to feel comfortable and even excited with it, you want to know intuitively this was the right choice, you want it to look just right as its sitting there proudly between your toaster oven and your tap. You want to be confident it will be working with YOU in any challenge you will throw at it as opposed to against you, you are going to be welcoming not just a new appliance but another addition to the family, to take you to joys you never thought possible, give you comfort, ease and a lighter step to your day as you pull your morning shot and wonder how you could possibly live without that burst of sensation a home well made coffee can deliver.

        A prosumer, striking looking espresso machine isn't just a space occupier appliance on ones bench. If you let it, it will become your best every day companion, the reason you jump out of bed, the crouch you lean on after sleepless nights and the life coach that feeds you with a drive boost each time you make a cuppa. And the better you get at it, the more proud you will become for mastering those flavours while in your PJ, sharing this divinity with your loved one.

        Now, you like knobs, you like the GPP style, you like the PID concept. I think you've got your answer right there..[emoji16]

        Life's too short to drink mediocre coffee. None of the 2 will be a bad choice, none is likely to break down if you look well after it, none will be a problem to fix if they do break down, none will make bad espresso if you got all other ingredients right, but only one will put a smile on your face when you turn her on in the morning...

        We are here to help you jump over that fence and land softly..[emoji41]

        Ofra

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        • #34
          Originally posted by BISHY View Post
          Yes chatted to Renzo.

          I like the quality of the pro 500 and the reputation it has. Its very stable temp control.

          i like the PID usability and the styling of the V3.

          after seeing these machines with Renzo i do not like lever switches for the steam / hot water. I liked the turn knobs the best so i can manage how much is coming out rather then on/off. Rocket Appartmento knobs i like the best but im happy to settle for the others with their better features.

          i assume start up times are very similar.
          Good pick up re the rotating valves rather than levers Bishy, I've always preferred them, they certainly allow greater control and finesse.

          If it were my choice, I would go for the Rocket every time.

          Good luck with your purchase.

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          • #35
            Originally posted by Yelta View Post
            Good pick up re the rotating valves rather than levers Bishy, I've always preferred them, they certainly allow greater control and finesse.

            If it were my choice, I would go for the Rocket every time.

            Good luck with your purchase.
            Each to their own. The steam flow from a lever type steam knob can easily be controlled depending on how far the lever is toggled. They are not simply ON/OFF as Bishy has suggested. I don't see any loss of finesse, having used both types. The levers have the added advantage of a very quick on/off if required (full depression of the knob)- very handy when steaming a large jug- a quick ON and turn on to other things like getting the cups ready whilst full steam is being applied.

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            • #36
              sorry but i did not get a sense that the levers can have finesse any where near the same as the turn knobs. just my opinion though.

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              • #37
                Originally posted by BISHY View Post
                sorry but i did not get a sense that the levers can have finesse any where near the same as the turn knobs. just my opinion though.
                I agree, have used both and much prefer the rotary valves.

                However as Gavisconi007 commented to each his own.

                I can certainly see why retailers give toggles the thumbs up, seems many machines incorporate them now, so there is a need that they be seen as (the way to go)

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                • #38
                  We don't believe there is 'better' or 'worse', it is an individual call. However, working with both intensively, we found that the Profi (levers) is an easier way for prosumer gear newbies to achieve fast consistency of a desired milk texture. When not required to evaluate distance of valve turning, we tend to focus instantaneously on the whirlpool in the jug. This enables immediate rotation, allowing maximum spins, supporting silky microfoam time after time.

                  We found students in our workshops achieving microfoam faster with the 'profi' system than those using knobs. On the flip side, if you're not used to powerful steam, you may find 'full steam' power intimidating with the levers, and having few jugs spill on the bench before getting used to it. An experienced home barista CAN get good results from both or at least tune in fast to master the other system if need be.

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                  • #39
                    im definitely in the intimidated category.. maybe why i like the turn knobs as you suggest

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                    • #40
                      Completely valid, Keiran [emoji3]

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by BISHY View Post
                        im definitely in the intimidated category.. maybe why i like the turn knobs as you suggest
                        I'm certainly not intimidated by toggles, simply prefer rotary, perhaps it's a case of the devil you know.

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                        • #42
                          The immediate "OFF" with the toggles is a good thing when the milk gets to over-flowing point.

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by Gavisconi007 View Post
                            The immediate "OFF" with the toggles is a good thing when the milk gets to over-flowing point.
                            ....but training would be an even better thing as milk should not have proceeded to that point!

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                            • #44
                              Has anyone got any temp testing figures from the rocket Giotto premium v3 PID for stability?

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