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  • #61
    Its a good move. I am at least using the 15l Neverfail bottles that you return and they refill, but it is an expensive PITA buying them and then running them through the Brita Maxtra filter jug

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    • #62
      I use a Brita jug and have tested the hardness of the filtered water. It removes most calcium with a newfilter which lasts 3 to 4 weeks with our use. We use thej jug for all drinking and for tea and coffee.
      The drawback I find with any filter like this is that the chlorine is removed which means the water tank or the bottom tank of an Aqua Pro will grow mould. I have experienced this with my Profitec 700 and with an Aqua Pro which we threw out.
      I keep the Brita jug in the fridge and make sure it is clean and free of mould when I put in a new filter.
      For info the Brita filters can be obtained from Germany or Ireland at a good price.

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      • #63
        Hi Boggas,

        This is an interesting topic. I have been looking into this for a while now. From what I have gathered and also been taught in some recent barista training at one of Sydney's top specialty roasters is that Total Dissolved solids (TDS) should be around 150-200 (some might say 100-200). Also there are 2 very different motivations determining ideal TDS. The first motivation is to avoid calcification of your espresso machine, this drives us to use filters that remove calcium and magnesium lowering TDS. However if we make the water to soft like distilled water it will make the coffee taste bad, so its recommended to not use distilled where possible. The second motivation is to make your coffee taste the best, this might mean hardening your water slightly and increasing the calcification build up in your machine. So what to do about? First you can purchase TDS kits fairly cheaply and measure your water. Once you know what your water is then you can experiment by hardening it with magnesium and calcium (can purchase online). I recommend to experiment with brew gear like pour over, plunger, cold drip/brew to avoid potential build up in your machine. This way you can varify for yourself whether it makes a difference or not. In your case Boggas you said your watder is hard, so its easy for you make two brews, one with hard town water and one with distilled and a starting point, then taste for verification on flavour variations.

        Mike K

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        • #64
          Originally posted by Johnd80 View Post
          I use a Brita jug and have tested the hardness of the filtered water. It removes most calcium with a newfilter which lasts 3 to 4 weeks with our use. We use thej jug for all drinking and for tea and coffee.
          The drawback I find with any filter like this is that the chlorine is removed which means the water tank or the bottom tank of an Aqua Pro will grow mould. I have experienced this with my Profitec 700 and with an Aqua Pro which we threw out.
          I keep the Brita jug in the fridge and make sure it is clean and free of mould when I put in a new filter.
          For info the Brita filters can be obtained from Germany or Ireland at a good price.
          A brita jug is a suitable short term solution, but a few things to consider:

          1. I was getting tiny bits of carbon floating in my water tank from the Brita jug filter. Even if being very careful to flush the filter as instructed, you'll still get carbon.
          2. Adding up the cost of buying filters every 4 weeks, buying a bigger plumbed Brita Purity option is essentially the same price once you've paid for the head unit and PLV.

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          • #65
            After getting my new machine this has come up. Im currently in my investment property for a year so cant and dont want to drill holes or plumb the machine in.

            I am looking at my options given that I will be running the water of the tank for the forseeable future.

            As I am in perth and the water is notoriously terrible, what options are there.

            1. Bottled water by the 10L (I read somewhere that spring water is not good though) Noticed a Pureau brand of water that has a lot of removing of the minerals as such. Is this composition good?
            Typical Analysis in milligrams per litre (p.p.m) mg/L
            Sodium 0mg/L
            Chlorides 0mg/L
            Calcium 0mg/L
            Potassium 0mg/L
            Bicarbonates 0mg/L
            Sulphates 0mg/L
            Nitrates 0mg/L
            Magnesium 0mg/L
            2. Fit a C150 finest to the laundry tap we hard use and go from there. I guess I will need a pressure limiting valve but asking one retailer they said that maybe the C150 finest wont be suitable for Perth water.

            Any advice would be greatly appreciated. I dont mind fitting a filter to the laundry tap as both my partner and I drink a lot of water and prefer filtered so will get good value from that and can ditch the brita jub which is PITA.

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            • #66
              Definitely need a water softening resin filter for Perth water.

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              • #67
                Originally posted by greenman View Post
                Definitely need a water softening resin filter for Perth water.
                Any direction of ones that could work.

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                • #68
                  This may be a silly question, but everything I read about the C150 seems to be focussed on vending machines and coffee machines. How is it for normal drinking water however? I mean, if I’m to get one I’d like to use it to fill the tank in my machine, but also for my family to fill their water bottles at the start of the day, and to pour a fresh glass of clean water. I don’t see anything regarding that.

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                  • #69
                    I like the idea of plumbing the filter into the laundry. I was going to do it onto the outside tap- just out the side door.

                    Also i was considering plumbing in my tanked machine with a 1/4 push fit float setup. Easy to set up...

                    Also, im not sure perth has notoriously hard water now. We have a pretty big desalinator online now, so i think our water might be softer than before.

                    Do we need to use the hardness strips, or can we use a tds pen style sampler?

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                    • #70
                      Hi folks

                      I reckon just plumb in an appropriate filter to your laundry tap or where ever and descale your machine when advised to....Change the filter/s when necessary and that's it..

                      Having said that...PSI water filters in Tasmania are great..About ten years ago I fitted a 20" twin whole of house water filter set up plus a small 9"twin with UV setup from the rainwater tank and pumped it from the tank to the fridge and rainwater tap inside...They were very good... You need to order online...

                      I had to get a plumber in to install a water pressure limiting valve after the water meter and before the 20" set up which cost about $100.00...A good investment to stop any surges or excess pressure blowing the filters...

                      I'm about to install a similar regime in my current house...There is nothing like having the whole of the house water filtered..Many other benefits....


                      Cheers.
                      Last edited by Javaphile; 14 March 2018, 02:04 PM. Reason: Commercial link(s) removed

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                      • #71
                        My mate bought from psi like 5 years ago and was happy.

                        I want to buy a 3 way mixer because I dont valve a hold in my sink for a normal filtered water tap.

                        Any suggestions there ?

                        I have nothing setup right now so wanting to buy a package of possible for under sink and a 3 way faucet. Seems that the coffee stores dont sell the faucets like this

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                        • #72
                          So I just jumped on the band wagon and got a c50 and plumbed it myself.

                          Just wanted to know if anyone in Sydney has the c50 or 150 and what your bypass setting is at ?

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                          • #73
                            Ok so besides this thread being dead I'm updating it for future people to find and hopefully use.

                            So the Quell C series used in Sydney will probably need a 70% bypass as that's what I've found after getting a very accurate test done by a friend of mine pool shop. They have an electronic water tester.

                            The hardness read at 50ppm but the brita table uses DH. Found a table online and did the conversion to 2.8dh which isnt even on the table as it's so low so 70% is the closest to the lowest on the brita chart which was 4dh.

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