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  • Where and what blends for an Italian.

    Hey guys,

    I think my recent problems with my setup were mostly related to bean choice.

    I tried many expensive blends and hated them all, completely undrinkable and a giant water of money that, as a tight was I'm still upset about, but I digress.

    I landed on Mocopan Pasquale which is $30/kilo so very reasonable and tastes great. I'm sure there are similar and probably better blends out there (perhaps not) for my tastes and I'm wondering, asking if you would be so kind as to me a few.

    I like Italian coffee, sweet, full bodied, lots of crema and I'm going to say that's usually a darker roast. I don't like burnt flavours though, I can stand heaps of bitterness but don't love too much. I hate sour, acidic coffee that I'm going to associate with boutique coffee shops, if that's incorrect or offensive I apologise.

    I'm 40 and I've been drinking coffee since the 80's mainly espresso, some stove top mocha, always the Italian brands and I can't stand anything from the 'best' places in Melbourne anymore, I won't mention names.

    I must be an old man stuck in old times, buy I am what I am and I need to work harder to find the coffee I like. Any help will be much appreciated!

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    Why not try Andy's Espresso WOW, has a great reputation, I'm sure you wont be disappointed.

    https://beanbay.coffeesnobs.com.au/V...resso-wow-rtfn

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    • #3
      Another suggestion is the Benito blend from site sponsor Dibartoli. This is an Italian style that you’ll probably find to your liking.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Yelta View Post
        Why not try Andy's Espresso WOW, has a great reputation, I'm sure you wont be disappointed.

        https://beanbay.coffeesnobs.com.au/V...resso-wow-rtfn
        I'm hesitant to use boutique brewers because of my experience with them as explained above, have you used this blend and if so is it a roast with a more traditional profile?

        I'd like to support the local forum sponsors, but I feel, perhaps incorrectly that they're all targeting a less old man style of consumer? ��

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        • #5
          Originally posted by herzog View Post
          Another suggestion is the Benito blend from site sponsor Dibartoli. This is an Italian style that you’ll probably find to your liking.
          Sounds good man! Might try that next.

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          • #6
            We like what we like.

            If you're looking for your coffee style in a city CBD from a boutique roaster then you're looking in the wrong place.
            Plenty of regional and some urban roasters would do a roast to suit you, as they have to cater to your palate type..... I can list half a dozen straight up.

            Andy is NOT a site sponsor.... he owns the site!

            I second Yelta's suggestion of Espresso WOW from Beanbay. If you want to know more suggestions DM me.
            Last edited by chokkidog; 24 March 2019, 11:30 AM. Reason: TMI

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            • #7
              Has anyone here had Mocopan Pasquale?
              That's my baseline/control now. I'd like to support CS and improve the coffee from there, but choosing without any kind of specs is difficult.

              A scale of how sweet or chocolatey etc. would be good.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by BobSac View Post
                Has anyone here had Mocopan Pasquale?
                That's my baseline/control now. I'd like to support CS and improve the coffee from there, but choosing without any kind of specs is difficult.

                A scale of how sweet or chocolatey etc. would be good.
                Bob, I've tried to advise you once, will give it another go.

                Andy the owner of this site Coffee Snobs is not a boutique roaster, he offers an enormous range of high quality Arabica beans to suit every taste, if you cant find what your looking for among his offerings you are pretty hard to please.

                Here's a link to the page, each coffee has exactly the information your looking for "sweet or chocolatey etc" https://beanbay.coffeesnobs.com.au/V.../RoastedCoffee

                I suspect your preference, like mine is for darker roasted Italian type beans, this is a description of Espresso Wow "Great as a double espresso with a creamy viscous body, a complete palate that oozes flavour throughout your mouth and an after-taste that lingers nicely for a good length of time. This flavour profile works just as well in milk based drinks and the strong crema should make a great canvas for latte art. "

                Give them a try.


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                • #9
                  Originally posted by herzog View Post
                  Another suggestion is the Benito blend from site sponsor Dibartoli. This is an Italian style that you’ll probably find to your liking.
                  Are you Herzog from bna?
                  That site has died since Christopher cut tapatalk

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Yelta View Post
                    Bob, I've tried to advise you once, will give it another go.

                    Andy the owner of this site Coffee Snobs is not a boutique roaster, he offers an enormous range of high quality Arabica beans to suit every taste, if you cant find what your looking for among his offerings you are pretty hard to please.

                    Here's a link to the page, each coffee has exactly the information your looking for "sweet or chocolatey etc" https://beanbay.coffeesnobs.com.au/V.../RoastedCoffee

                    I suspect your preference, like mine is for darker roasted Italian type beans, this is a description of Espresso Wow "Great as a double espresso with a creamy viscous body, a complete palate that oozes flavour throughout your mouth and an after-taste that lingers nicely for a good length of time. This flavour profile works just as well in milk based drinks and the strong crema should make a great canvas for latte art. "

                    Give them a try.


                    I apologise, I'm possibly not understanding what the mainstream definition of a boutique roaster is anymore.

                    It's been a while, but I did own a cafe (in Melbourne, in Brunswick), my father owned a few very successful cafes (in Melbourne, around the Brunswick, Carlton areas) and his father ran a cafe (in Italy), so whilst I know a lot about coffee and the industry, it's all either not relevant or very different to 2019 in Melbourne.

                    I assumed you linked to a boutique supplier given the look of the website etc. I do apologise if I've pissed you off with my noobishness.

                    I will give the beans a go, but just for your info, the blurb gave me no useful info about the product, I have no idea what to expect.

                    Mocopan were very helpful, I was told they've be woeful, but they spent 15 minutes explaining in plain English all the blends and then asked what I wanted and I said ' Italian and I don't like this new hipster light roast stuff' so they explained exactly why they think I'd like Pasquale, dark roast, sweet, caramelised flavours should be produced with my grinder and machine combo etc.

                    Perhaps a graph outlining the acidity, sweetness characteristics and/or an explanation of the likely flavours would help boobs like me who aren't up with the latest lingo?

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                    • #11
                      BobSac it sounds like those coffees you have not liked recently are what I describe as a "hipster roast'. This is a light roast that's quite faddish at the moment, yet many of us here are not fans. It can taste sour, grassy and like unripened fruit. Some inner city cafes have gone all-in on the stuff.

                      As Yelta says, it sounds like your preference is for a darker, italian style roast which brings out those warmer flavours in the coffee such as nut, chocolate etc. I generally prefer that style myself.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by herzog View Post
                        BobSac it sounds like those coffees you have not liked recently are what I describe as a "hipster roast'. This is a light roast that's quite faddish at the moment, yet many of us here are not fans. It can taste sour, grassy and like unripened fruit. Some inner city cafes have gone all-in on the stuff.

                        As Yelta says, it sounds like your preference is for a darker, italian style roast which brings out those warmer flavours in the coffee such as nut, chocolate etc. I generally prefer that style myself.
                        That's what I'm after, I've found it more and more difficult to come by recently!

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by BobSac View Post
                          That's what I'm after, I've found it more and more difficult to come by recently!
                          Ok good we've nailed that down.

                          You've been provided with a couple of solid options in this thread. Let us know how it works out.

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                          • #14
                            G'Day Bobsac, not pissed off, sorry if I came across that way.

                            As others have now commented it's probably darker roasted beans your after, perhaps with a small percentage of Robusta added (Italian style) stay away from supermarket stuff i.e. Vittoria, Lavatzza etc.

                            As a matter of interest, some here have mentioned Aldi as being a source of reasonable quality commercially roasted beans at very low cost, particularly their darker roasted beans, could be worth a try, from memory only about $15 a kg.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Yelta View Post
                              G'Day Bobsac, not pissed off, sorry if I came across that way.

                              As others have now commented it's probably darker roasted beans your after, perhaps with a small percentage of Robusta added (Italian style) stay away from supermarket stuff i.e. Vittoria, Lavatzza etc.

                              As a matter of interest, some here have mentioned Aldi as being a source of reasonable quality commercially roasted beans at very low cost, particularly their darker roasted beans, could be worth a try, from memory only about $15 a kg.
                              I did try a Vittoria 'mountain grown' bean from Woolies, on special for $15, because I was told it was good. It was not ��

                              Lavazza isn't great either imo, perhaps in Italy?
                              Maybe it's too old by the time it's shipped here? Or not as good as it used to be (it was good when I was drinking it regularly in the 90's).

                              It will try at least one of the recommendations in this thread and I will post my thoughts.

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