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  • Attempted carjacking produces first reasonable use for Nescafe Blend 43

    Or the actual title "Melbourne man fights off carjacker with Nescafé Blend 43 jar"

    https://7news.com.au/sunrise/on-the-...3-jar-c-460974

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    It is good to see would-be victims of carjackings, home invasions etc fighting back.

    I particularly liked the young woman using her steering lock to defend herself and property from a box-cutter-armed thug.

    https://www.smh.com.au/national/vict...17-p52s2m.html.

    And a couple of guys (one in his underpants) fighting back with baseball bats some home invaders and dragging them out of the car they tried to steal.

    https://10daily.com.au/news/australi...asion-20190917

    Of course, as police grow alarmed at the violence of thugs, and the community can't believe the slap on the wrists being dished out to them by courts, the Victorian government is too busy on the REAL issues...like ensuring all references to gender are expunged from the vocabulary.

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    • #3
      Hi Robusto, I could not agree more strongly with your last paragraph.It seems to be getting worse as the years go by. too many do-gooders??? human rightists!! the victim is forgotten. As an aside, and this goes back to Queensland 40 years ago,there was a shortage of beds in the prison system does that apply here in Victoria NOW. Just saying/ asking. John

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      • #4
        Chippy, we elect governments to fix problems, not to excuse them. I don't know what the bed situation is, but justice should be administered according to law, not according to whether there is room in a jail to accommodate another prisoner. If there is no bed...then build another jail.

        I would rather have these revolving door court thugs off the streets and therefore not a potential threat to me, than acting with impunity, keeping on offending while on bail knowing they will get away with it.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by robusto View Post
          It is good to see would-be victims of carjackings, home invasions etc fighting back.

          I particularly liked the young woman using her steering lock to defend herself and property from a box-cutter-armed thug.

          https://www.smh.com.au/national/vict...17-p52s2m.html.

          And a couple of guys (one in his underpants) fighting back with baseball bats some home invaders and dragging them out of the car they tried to steal.

          https://10daily.com.au/news/australi...asion-20190917

          Of course, as police grow alarmed at the violence of thugs, and the community can't believe the slap on the wrists being dished out to them by courts, the Victorian government is too busy on the REAL issues...like ensuring all references to gender are expunged from the vocabulary.
          What we don't see, is the the consequences of attempts at self-defence that end up with the defender 6 feet under. This can go either way. Be careful folks.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Barry O'Speedwagon View Post
            What we don't see, is the the consequences of attempts at self-defence that end up with the defender 6 feet under. This can go either way. Be careful folks.
            I agree, sometimes discretion is most certainly the better part of valour.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by robusto View Post
              I don't know what the bed situation is, but justice should be administered according to law, not according to whether there is room in a jail to accommodate another prisoner. If there is no bed...then build another jail.
              The legal system only works if the punishment deters people from committing the crime. Obviously the ever increasing drug affected or mental unstable are the exceptions but here in Victoria the "under age offenders" are steadily on the increase. No real major consequences if they get caught and there were even suggestions that bikie gangs were recruiting them for car jackings because of this. Using your racial minority status seems to be an increasingly common excuse for criminal behaviour rather than scumbags just being scumbags regardless of race or social situation.

              Instead of building resorts to house prisoners, just have the bare essentials and make it seem like a punishment rather than a comfortable retreat.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by robusto View Post
                Chippy, we elect governments to fix problems, not to excuse them. I don't know what the bed situation is, but justice should be administered according to law, not according to whether there is room in a jail to accommodate another prisoner. If there is no bed...then build another jail.

                I would rather have these revolving door court thugs off the streets and therefore not a potential threat to me, than acting with impunity, keeping on offending while on bail knowing they will get away with it.
                It's pretty obvious that jails are not working for a goodly proportion (near 50%) who reoffend.

                My thoughts are that you use jail to remove those who are a risk to our safety. There are thousands of beds occupied by people who have done something silly but might be otherwise rehabilitated. We then put them into jails so that the really dangerous can teach the sillys to be completely stupid.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by chippy View Post
                  ...a shortage of beds in the prison system does that apply here in Victoria...
                  Seems to me, if we jail the sociopaths who won't comply with curfews and electronic monitoring, lack of accommodation shouldn't be a problem.

                  Ps a percentage of the population just won't play by the rules. Trying to rehabilitate them is a WO*TAM. Introducing even more control and surveillance is the price we might have to pay.

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                  • #10
                    This is the disturbing change in teen crime....In my day, being "in trouble with the police" was an extremely serious thing. ZTo have police on your tail while committing a criminal act would make you think "hell, we're gonners.:

                    Now, there is blatant disregard, disrespect for police, as this gang of 12-17 year olds show, trying to evade police during a chase.

                    https://www.9news.com.au/national/br...7-ba433cef7820

                    Instead of stopping, admitting they have been been nabbed...they drive away.

                    In other cases, they ram police cars. They desert their
                    stolen cars and make a run for it.

                    It is all part of the society-wide trend of disowning responsibility for your own actions. You know, like getting drunk but then blaming the
                    barman. Or bashing people but blaming it on the illegal drug ice you were on at the time...

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                    • #11
                      Many innocent people have been hurt by instant coffee so it good to see it was used against evil this time.

                      On a serious note, I think that crime against people is mostly drug and alcohol related. Desperate people do desperate things and desperate drug affected people are selfish. There is no thought of consequence whether it is the trauma caused against the innocent and no care for the consequence of getting caught. Unfortunately we need to learn and teach young ones how to be as safe as possible. I wish we could ignore what was going on around us but ignorance will make you a target.

                      If you fight back you might get luck once but you don't know what the perpetrator is thinking you, you don't know how desperate they are and you don't know what their abilities are. The best action is to comply and don't escalate the situation by acting in a threatening way.

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                      • #12
                        Yep definitely. You're violent or you run, you get a stay and preferably a few nights in a cell with Bubba to boot.

                        My thoughts on non-violent? Combination home detention and rehabilitation wherever possible- at far lower cost to taxpayers. It would also free up space in jails.

                        Whilst jails continue to be privately run profit making organisations funded by taxpayers at six figures+/prisoner/year, I can't see much changing... They'll continue to build them and fill them.
                        Last edited by Caffeinator; 23 September 2019, 02:36 PM. Reason: grammar

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Caffeinator View Post
                          ...Whilst jails continue to be privately run profit making organisations funded by taxpayers at six figures+/prisoner/year, I can't see much changing...
                          "Something is rotten in the state of Denmark" when private companies, whose primary reason for being is the pursuit of profit, are running our prisons.
                          But hey! I'm sceptical by nature. Probably nothing to worry about.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by OCD View Post
                            "Something is rotten in the state of Denmark" when private companies, whose primary reason for being is the pursuit of profit, are running our prisons.
                            But hey! I'm sceptical by nature. Probably nothing to worry about.
                            Yeah. I heard that they pay prisoners $1.50/day to assemble dynabolts. Must be so stimulating for them! They can only pay $1.50 because that's what they had to bid to undercut sheltered workshops.
                            Last edited by Caffeinator; 23 September 2019, 04:22 PM.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Caffeinator View Post
                              Yeah. I heard that they pay prisoners $1.50/day to assemble dynabolts. Must be so stimulating for them! They can only pay $1.50 because that's what they had to bid to undercut sheltered workshops.
                              Well within the spirit of the 285 Ferengi rules of acquisition.

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