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  • #16
    Originally posted by flashpixx View Post
    I do like the taste, I fear if I load any more in the basket I might find it a bit too strong for my taste. I may need a smaller basket perhaps??
    See reply number 2 FP, at the risk of raising the ire of the rusted on VST users, EP baskets really do take so much less messing around, VST's are renowned for being finicky, sold mine ages ago.

    PS as Mal suggested the 5 cent test is an excellent way to establish your dose.

    The 14 to 18 gram dosed to 18 should suit you well, think it will solve a lot of your problems.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by Dimal View Post
      Dare I mention the Five Cent Test.... [emoji14]

      Mal.
      Or do the $4 test! No imprint, and you're DEFINITELY underdosing!

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      • #18
        Originally posted by Yelta View Post
        See reply number 2 FP, at the risk of raising the ire of the rusted on VST users, EP baskets really do take so much less messing around, VST's are renowned for being finicky, sold mine ages ago.

        PS as Mal suggested the 5 cent test is an excellent way to establish your dose.

        The 14 to 18 gram dosed to 18 should suit you well, think it will solve a lot of your problems.
        There is an 18-21g EP triple basket on its way. Should arrive tomorrow.

        To ensure completeness there are 20g and 22g VST coming too.

        looking forward to trying them all

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        • #19
          Originally posted by flashpixx View Post
          There is an 18-21g EP triple basket on its way. Should arrive tomorrow.

          To ensure completeness there are 20g and 22g VST coming too.

          looking forward to trying them all
          At the risk of seeming contrary FP, I'm not a fan of the 18/22, I much prefer the 14/18 dosed close to maximum capacity.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by flashpixx View Post
            There is an 18-21g EP triple basket on its way. Should arrive tomorrow.

            To ensure completeness there are 20g and 22g VST coming too.

            looking forward to trying them all
            I use both VSTs and EP baskets (each are 18g nominally). I tend to use the VST more often, and I don't find it too finicky (though when my better half used to make coffee it was not an option). I'm using a spring lever machine, so that may have an influence. You can make good coffee with either. Don't worry about the state of the puck if the coffee tastes good.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by Barry O'Speedwagon View Post
              Don't worry about the state of the puck if the coffee tastes good.
              It does taste quite good actually.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by Yelta View Post
                At the risk of seeming contrary FP, I'm not a fan of the 18/22, I much prefer the 14/18 dosed close to maximum capacity.
                Ditto...

                Have always found that, for me, doses closer to the rated upper limit of a basket produced a much more satisfying result in the cup, rather than heading in the other direction...

                Mal.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by flashpixx View Post
                  Hi Simon

                  Thanks mate, yes I do enjoy the experimenting.

                  I dose the Pullman 19-22g basket to 22g and aim for 36g out. This is per the recipe

                  I've been playing with my dosing and tamping. After filling the basket I smooth the grind with my finger, lightly tap and tamp.

                  I've eased up on my tamping pressure which doesn't seem to impact on the extraction weight, but has reduced the wetness.

                  I haven't tried running a toothpick through the grinds. I have just received a tiamo dosing cup so I'll see if that improves the distribution in the filter.

                  I reckon if I can get the Pullman basket to work well, then my technique "might" be up to par
                  G'day flashpixx

                  If you are worried about the flavour being a bit strong, you may be going inn the wrong direction with your baskets.

                  IMO, the Pullman is already a notch above the EP/HQ/EQ etc (it has over a dozen names by now - I keep running into them). The good news is that the grind and dose percentage (i.e. dosage to rated size ratio) would be pretty similar.

                  Set up properly, and with a good enough grinder to cope, the VST will need a much finer grind, a more even particle spread, preferably a naked p/f and a flat based tamper. Rationale: the VST has about 50% more flow than standard(ish) baskets so you need to adjust for that. Then the VST will give you close to 50% higher extraction ratio (i.e. quantity of flavour in the cuppa). The VST is used in barista competitions because it also gives a very clean. clear flavour (so better or worse - crap technique & roasts taste just like, er, crap). So a 15g VST will give about the same flavour is your 19g Pullman when both are optimised.

                  I am in WA, so if you need to "try before buying" a 15g VST you are welcome to borrow one of mine for a while.

                  Enjoy your cuppa - and wet pucks have sod all to do with that directly anyway...


                  TampIt

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by flashpixx View Post
                    To ensure completeness there are 20g and 22g VST coming too.
                    The 15g and 20g VST ridgeless are 2 of my favorites. Always fun experimenting with different baskets (and dose/grind) on whichever bean you're using.

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                    • #25
                      Thanks TampIt for your very kind offer. Following this morning's effort (see below), I will see how the 20g VST basket goes (AusPost just advised it is coming today), and if there is any favourable difference using the 18-21g EP recommended by Yelta.

                      This morning I followed the advice of Mal and Simon, loaded the Pullman basket and did the 5 cent test. Turns out 23g of my 2 favourite beans result in a very slight but discernable imprint of HRH in the dry Puck.

                      The original recipe was 22g in for 36g out in 32-34 sec. With an extra 1g of coffee I went 23g in 37g out in 34 seconds.

                      Result:

                      Much drier puck
                      Even nicer taste, the slight bitterness has gone now replaced with a lovely Plum tone with a smooth dark chocolate aftertaste.

                      There has been a change in workflow also, used the Tiamo ss cup to dispense the grind from the grinder into the p/f. Visually noted less clumpiness (not that bad previously), but now just a lovely bed of untamped grinds in the p/f.

                      Learning something new everyday

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by flashpixx View Post
                        if there is any favourable difference using the 18-21g EP recommended by Yelta.
                        I recommended the 14 to 18 EP, I'm not a fan of the 18 to 21.

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                        • #27
                          I've trialed VST 15g, 18g, 20g and 22g baskets against the Pullman 19-22g basket.

                          Unfortunately AusPost have lost the EP 18-21g basket I ordered.

                          Favourites are the 18g basket dosed to 20g and the 20g basket dosed to 22g.

                          I have one particular bean that is medium roast and quite strong. It was quite good in the pullman 18-21g basket dosed to 22g.

                          In the 20g VST dosed to 22g WoW it knocks your socks off. a 34g shot in 150ml of milk is too strong for me, flavours were all there but bamm, knock yer socks off!!

                          Dose 20g of that bean into the 18g VST, and its a game changer. Wonderful clarity of flavours, I'm not an espresso drinker but I really enjoyed a single shot. With 32g out of the 20g dose into 150ml of milk and it's coffee bliss, the chocolate aftertaste comes through and just stays with you. It really has transformed the drink!

                          I have two other beans that are lighter roasts, and they are both perfect in the 20g VST basket dosed to 22g in milk.

                          When I have a piccolo I use 2 x 90ml glasses, pull a 32/34 g shot, half into each, which is about 15ml, and top it up with milk.

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by flashpixx View Post
                            I've trialed VST 15g, 18g, 20g and 22g baskets against the Pullman 19-22g basket.

                            Unfortunately AusPost have lost the EP 18-21g basket I ordered.

                            Favourites are the 18g basket dosed to 20g and the 20g basket dosed to 22g.

                            I have one particular bean that is medium roast and quite strong. It was quite good in the pullman 18-21g basket dosed to 22g.

                            In the 20g VST dosed to 22g WoW it knocks your socks off. a 34g shot in 150ml of milk is too strong for me, flavours were all there but bamm, knock yer socks off!!

                            Dose 20g of that bean into the 18g VST, and its a game changer. Wonderful clarity of flavours, I'm not an espresso drinker but I really enjoyed a single shot. With 32g out of the 20g dose into 150ml of milk and it's coffee bliss, the chocolate aftertaste comes through and just stays with you. It really has transformed the drink!

                            I have two other beans that are lighter roasts, and they are both perfect in the 20g VST basket dosed to 22g in milk.

                            When I have a piccolo I use 2 x 90ml glasses, pull a 32/34 g shot, half into each, which is about 15ml, and top it up with milk.
                            So, so cool to hear... love it!

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by flashpixx View Post
                              I've trialed VST 15g, 18g, 20g and 22g baskets against the Pullman 19-22g basket.
                              Are you getting much sleep these days?

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by CafeLotta View Post
                                Are you getting much sleep these days?
                                Caffeine is good for you!!

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