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Yeh, not actually sure whether what I do is WDT (which sounds like a pesticide to me) or not....never investigated it. I've also never bothered trying a different glass to grind into (which would probably be a sensible idea).
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Similar here, though no WDT.Originally posted by Barry O'Speedwagon View PostThis is pretty much how I arrived at a similar technique. I use an OE Dosing Funnel, but the way my grinder is configured, the dosing funnel slips off the portafilter if you use the portafilter to depress the grind button. So I grind into a macchiato glass, dump into the portafilter (with the help of the dosing funnel), then distribute grinds. Takes no time at all and almost zero mess.
- Grind into small glass tumbler.
- Dump into PF via OE dosing funnel.
- Side tap PF with top of tamper handle to distribute and settle.
- Tamp.
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This is pretty much how I arrived at a similar technique. I use an OE Dosing Funnel, but the way my grinder is configured, the dosing funnel slips off the portafilter if you use the portafilter to depress the grind button. So I grind into a macchiato glass, dump into the portafilter (with the help of the dosing funnel), then distribute grinds. Takes no time at all and almost zero mess.Originally posted by steve7 View PostI grind into a dosing cup, partly to reduce spillage and partly to reduce clumping/static electricity. It also allows me to get a precise dose by weight.
This means I need to stir to even things out after dumping the grounds into the basket. The old cheap thermometer I have on hand does the trick... but maybe I’ll upgrade to a toothpick!
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With this thread in mind this morning I didn't do any distribution (with the chopstick I normally use) in the Niche dosing cup before inverting into the portafilter. Have to say the shot with naked PF took an age maybe 15 seconds to merge into a single column (it had two evenly split columns which were quite stable tho), grind was probably a bit too fine.
But overall agree with the sentiment, whatever floats your boat! I tend to find it helps with my combination of Niche, dosing cup, 20g VST basket. As I usually have about 5 minutes to pump out a Latte into my travel cup each morning if I am dropping the kids off, I would rather have as high a chance of getting it right the first time.
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Next on my shopping list a "real clump buster"
What helped me with Niche grinder (apart from commercial stirrer above) was level3ninja's suggestion of taping grinds into PF rather than inverting ss cup and dumping. Much fluffier. Then just a gentle shake to even a bit and a tap on the bench to settle.
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And the WDT
Originally posted by wattgn View PostOne day soon you will be able to say 'I WDT' in public, openly and without shame."And the winner of the WWDT Championship is...."
(Sorry, I'm trolling a perfectly good topic)
I suppose different grinders / humidity / roast / bean may present varying amounts of challenge in prepping a perfect puck. At home, where speed is not the most important and where kneeling down to worship the naked PF is, all additional techniques seem like a good way to enjoy the hobby.
It's not all about what's in the cup. The joy is in the making of it, too!
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I grind into a dosing cup, partly to reduce spillage and partly to reduce clumping/static electricity. It also allows me to get a precise dose by weight.
This means I need to stir to even things out after dumping the grounds into the basket. The old cheap thermometer I have on hand does the trick... but maybe I’ll upgrade to a toothpick!
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Originally posted by Dimal View PostLots of ways to spend time and money on things that are unnecessary...
The way of the world.
Mal.
Yeh, well I find that the toothpicks are far more effective than dental floss for this purpose.
Seriously though, people have different set ups, and the very simplest approach isn't always 'best' (though this may be the case in the overwhelming majority of cases). I have a double-spring lever machine which requires a finer grind than either a typical e61 or a single spring lever. For some beans I find that I get a better distribution of grinds if I spend 2 seconds or less distributing with the toothpick before gently tapping down and then tamping. I even use a nutating tamp, which helps fit more coffee in the portafilter. Does all of this take me longer than the simplest approach. Yep, about 2-3 seconds, which I can live with. I use about 3 toothpicks per annum.
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Or, enjoying great coffee...
And absolutely necessary around here.
Mal.
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I just think there are different ways to go about things. Different methods work for different setups.
I know that with my Compak K3 I had to use a very different process compared to my Sette. The grounds were just different, distribution was different. Same with my Rocky.
The naked portafilter showed me pretty accurately what was going on. What distribution methods caused what.
Don't think it's helpful to make blanket statements. I agree in making it as simple as is humanly possible, and not introducing too many variables to keep track of. I've been guilty of doing far too much, thinking that it'll surely get a good extraction by doing ALL of these successful methods. But it was too much.
Gaining an understanding of what conditions causes what result is important, and to me is gained through direct experience, trial and error, with your OWN setup and conditions.
WDT worked amazingly when I had my Rocky, and depending on the coffee/roast, with the Compak. Current grinder it's simply not needed.
My thought on all this is that: "it depends."
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Lots of ways to spend time and money on things that are unnecessary...
The way of the world.
Mal.
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Ill see your WDT tool and raise you a spiny thing.Originally posted by Barry O'Speedwagon View PostDo what works for you. For a variety of reasons, I use a toothpick to distribute grinds in the portafilter, then knock down. Works consistently in my set up, might not work for others.
Im am shameless user of a Pullman Chisel
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One day soon you will be able to say 'I WDT' in public, openly and without shame.
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