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  • When I go into a cafe and order a coffee.....??

    ...and they ask me if I want it in a cup or a mug,... is there a difference in the amount of coffee they use?

    Im confused.... in the commercial scene...when do baristas use single baskets and when do they use doubles?.

    There is one cafe we buy coffee from every second Sunday and the coffee is pretty good. My mother (she always buys the coffee there,.. as my sister and I do all the driving,. ;D) says the coffee maker/cafe attendant (I wouldnt call her a barista as such) makes each coffee individually and she says it looks like a double basket but cannot be 100% sure. We have cups not mugs. Could she be using a double basket for each cup of coffee??  Is this something that is normal practice??

    Then there is another place we frequent,. but the guy there makes the first two in one pour and the third cup seperately. His coffee cannot compare to the first place I spoke of. It lacks everything in taste and crema actually,..and although he doesnt have great coffee making skills,..he is the nicest man and he is so maticulous(read slow and very careful) making and placing cups on tray without spilling,..adding spoons, sugar(not that we use it) etc....his nice service is a treat despite his less than average coffee ....and his pleasant smile is worth it,... as unfortunately the coffee making alternatives in that area are far worse.

    The main reason Im asking about amount of coffee used per cup is,.. Im actually trying to figure out exactly what my home intake is compared to a coffee bought in a cafe. I pour myself two doubles a day as the norm, one in the morning and another late evening. So two mugs of coffee a day is usual for me. This will change if I have a visitor and I will usually still pour a double but into two fancy schmancy cups with saucers. Of course there is the very occasional day I will have an extra double to try out a new roast (like yesterday when Dennis beans arrived),..oh but now that I think of it,.. I still only had two doubles yesterday actually as I missed out on my evening mug of coffee last night.

    This amount of coffee Im consuming came up in conversation with my mother this morning as she thought I might be overdoing the caffeine because I have such nice coffee available all the time now. When I told her no,.. Im still only having two cups (meaning mugs) of coffee a day, same as I have been doing for years (but that was with instant coffee - ack).  But really,.. it is equal to 4 coffees a day yes?  but is this amount equal to 2 or 4 cups if I bought from a cafe going by the amount they put into the baskets. Im not explaining myself well am I?...what I am trying to say is,.. I dont feel like my coffee consumption is any more than say if I was away from home and bought a coffee in the morning and another in the afternoon from cafes.  Are my two mugs (two doubles) a day excessive??  I wouldnt have thought so,..but I need to get the cafe/home comparison clear to be able to ease my mothers mind if possible.

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    Re: When I go into a cafe and order a coffee.....?

    Remy,

    The baskets and amount used does vary from place to place.

    The general rule of thumb is 7g per shot.

    As for how a mugshot should be done, well WE would all want a double in there, but that doesnt mean it happens at all places.

    As to the reason for your question, I apologise, but Im about to make it more complicated.

    You are not really comparing apples with apples. Or to be more precise, arabica with arabica.

    A lot of cafes use coffees with robusta in the blend. This increases the amount of caffeinne compared to 100% arabica.

    Also, the roast level contributes to the level of caffeinne in the beans.

    One thing is certain, 4 instant coffees a day has more caffeinne than 4 proper coffees a day.

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    • #3
      Re: When I go into a cafe and order a coffee.....?

      Thanks FB.. I thought there might not be a simple answer,. too many variable to compare.
      Ive been meaning to learn about robusta and arabica beans too for a while now, so a good time to get educated.

      Hearing this about instant coffee,.. I think I can safely say to my mother that my two mugs (each containing a double shot) a day would not contain significantly more caffeine than in the two mugs per day of instant coffee Ive had for the last 10+years.

      Im enjoying the best coffees Ive ever tasted in my life,.. and Im raving about coffee stuff to my mum all the time,. so obviously she is thinking Im drinking this coffee like theres no tomorrow,.. however... I have felt as though my consumption has not increased at all (though my enjoyment of it has obviously increased 100 fold),.. infact my consumption has possibly decreased somewhat as there have been periods of time in the past where I would have up to 4 instant coffees a day(at work mostly),.. and Im sure apart from taste,.. I have to be better off avoiding instant process nasties.

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      • #4
        Re: When I go into a cafe and order a coffee.....?

        Remy,

        Instant coffee is usually made from 100% robusta.
        My understanding is that instant has a significantly HIGHER caffeinne content than real coffee. Especially if the coffee is 100% arabica.

        Id say your caffeinne intake has actually DECREASED with your new found love of real coffee.

        So, I think you can safely allay your Mums fears.

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        • #5
          Re: When I go into a cafe and order a coffee.....?

          I think its in the realm of 40mg of caffeine per shot (of arabica)? So youre probably consuming around 160mg per day with two doubles. A cup of instant is around 100mg of caffeine.

          I remember researching stuff when I was pregnant and the recommended moderate caffeine consumption is considered 300-400mg per day (3-4 cups of instant). I was shocked, because that would equate to 8-10 shots!

          So, Id guess youre probably fine!

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          • #6
            Re: When I go into a cafe and order a coffee.....?

            Awesome,.. you have armed me with the goods I need. Thanks heaps FB! She will be relieved.

            In the past I suffered from daily multi-migraines attacks for years that let to memory loss, spacial confusion, item confusion, speech loss, loss of balance, wrong sounding words would come out and Id suddenly not know where I was while in the midst of an attack. According to the Neuro Specialist,..my migraines were triggering migraines and he said I was having dozens a day and was basically caught in a vicious cycle of them which a course of an Epilepsy drug for two years stopped- whoot!),.. anyway,.. I think her concerns were that I might trigger them off again if I were to suddenly start guzzling coffee (because it is so enjoyable and readily available). There was no proof that caffeine was ever a cause for the migraines(though coffee is said to be associated to),.. and I havent had an attack for a couple of years now, but I think she still worries.

            Thanks again!

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            • #7
              Re: When I go into a cafe and order a coffee.....?

              Thanks Michelle,. great info,..I am going to print that off (and FBs info) and keep in my purse to show mum,. this is great to know.

              Whooohooo,.. I can go and have another double now... nar just kidding ;D two doubles a day is all I want and will keep me very happy,.. and now I dont feel guilty/worried about caffeine content for that much either after this thread.

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              • #8
                Re: When I go into a cafe and order a coffee.....?

                A double shot of espresso made from 100% arabica beans contains roughly the same amount of caffeine as a 6 oz cup of instant coffee.

                Heres a discussion of caffeine content: http://coffeesnobs.com.au/YaBB.pl?num=1115516893/26#26


                Java "Sipping his fix" phile
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                • #9
                  Re: When I go into a cafe and order a coffee.....?

                  ... and apparently when one consumes a 6oz cup of instant coffee, the almost instantaneous result is a 6oz cup of regurgitated reflux

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                  • #10
                    Re: When I go into a cafe and order a coffee.....?

                    A double shot of espresso made from 100% arabica beans contains roughly the same amount of caffeine as a 6 oz cup of instant coffee.

                    Heres a discussion of caffeine content: http://coffeesnobs.com.au/YaBB.pl?num=1115516893/26#26
                    Oh thanks Javaphile,. great read!

                    ... and apparently when one consumes a 6oz cup of instant coffee, the almost instantaneous result is a 6oz cup of regurgitated reflux
                    Oh like the reflux I had when I added sugar to a bitter espresso. ;D .

                    I cant believe I used to drink instant and keep it down. Ive tried it again a few times when I have run out of beans and its absolutely putrid,.it doesnt even taste like coffee,.. how did I do it for all those years I ask myself.

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                    • #11
                      Re: When I go into a cafe and order a coffee.....?

                      Hey Remy,where is your "sunday cafe" located?

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                      • #12
                        Re: When I go into a cafe and order a coffee.....?

                        This must be true about caffiene in instant being higher than espresso, because my mother inlaw used to drink decaf tea! "Whats that you say"."Tea comes in decaf".Well anyway when I started making her espresso from my roasts she had 1 when she got to our house about sorry excatly 4.oopm Saturday.Another about 9.00pm and she still slept ok but full strength tea kept her awake.
                        Just goes to show you quality is better than quantinty

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                        • #13
                          Re: When I go into a cafe and order a coffee.....?

                          Originally posted by Remy link=1205285777/0#0 date=1205285777
                          ...and they ask me if I want it in a cup or a mug,... is there a difference in the amount of coffee they use?

                          Im confused.... in the commercial scene...when do baristas use single baskets and when do they use doubles?.
                          Im going to tell you how it is made by me in our cafe.

                          I use a double basket. ALL the time. Never do I use the single in our machine. Actually, I dont even know where the single basket is...

                          I put a single shot into cups, mugs and latte glasses. UNLESS, Im asked to make it weak. Of course, I will also judge my customer and if I think they wont like a strong cup of coffee, I will pull the shot as well in the cup. And the same for lattes as many people think that a latte is meant to be weak as well, so thats what I give them! After all, the customer is usually always right!

                          We use 12 oz and 16 oz takeaway cups. Into a 12oz I put a single shot and into the 16oz they get a double.

                          A shot for us is about 25ml plus the crema.

                          Hope this helps too, Remy.

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                          • #14
                            Re: When I go into a cafe and order a coffee.....?

                            I always pull a double for a flat white but restrict the pour to a 30ml extraction (unless weak is asked for)

                            In some places, New Zealand for instance, a double shot is standard just about everywhere for every regular sized coffee that you order

                            But this doesnt mean that it necessarily contains a lot more caffeine

                            I routinely make myself a double shot cafe latte regularly at home, but stop the pour after 25mls of extraction, which gives you the sweetness of the extraction without the bitterness (though some would say added body, complexity, and mouth feel) of a longer pour

                            Typically, when you intervene in the extraction time like this youre also limiting the amount of caffeine intake too, as the longer the pour, the more caffeine there is coming through

                            Oh yeah, and high-altitude, shade grown single origin coffees tend to be naturally lower in acidity and caffeine than their cousins who live lower down the mountain - which is why I serve these coffees at my work!

                            Cheers,

                            Pat

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