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  • OCD
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    Try reducing your stress levels. Setting one day a week aside for a recharge works for me. I turn off my phone, drag the welcome mat inside and avoid all contact with my greatest cause of stress; other people. The world doesn't come to a grinding halt - I'm not that important.

    P.S. The people in my life have accepted my choice. Who knows, not having to deal with me for one day a week is probably good for their stress levels too.

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  • Richcoop
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    Originally posted by Richcoop View Post
    My friend had a similar issue and the problem was in the wrong diet. I mean...he ate absolutely everything, including drinking 3-4 cups of tea every single day. I thought he understands the risks, but he thought that he's young and nothing bad would happen to him. Now he holds a strong diet and eats almost only oatmeal or any food like that. Of course, he doesn't drink coffee anymore and it's a problem because he can't live without it. He visits the doctor every week and thank god his clinic implemented an allied health practice management because otherwise, he would wait for months to receive any consultations.
    Can't say that coffee is the reason he suffers that much. I personally drink a lot of coffee with sugar day by day and still don't have any problems. I went to the clinic last month and the doctor said I'm 100% healthy and don't have any problems with my health.

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  • Richcoop
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    My friend had a similar issue and the problem was in the wrong diet. I mean...he ate absolutely everything, including drinking 3-4 cups of tea every single day. I thought he understands the risks, but he thought that he's young and nothing bad would happen to him. Now he holds a strong diet and eats almost only oatmeal or any food like that. Of course, he doesn't drink coffee anymore and it's a problem because he can't live without it. He visits the doctor every week and thank god his clinic implemented an allied health practice management because otherwise, he would wait for months to receive any consultations.

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  • motion2082
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    I have made a few changes to my diet over the past 2 weeks and have seen some interesting results.
    I stopped drinking black deloghi machine coffee and black Moconna instant coffee and replaced with either a proper Expresso with Soy Milk or a Moconna instant with Almond Milk.
    No gut issues or high anxiety of stress limiting to one or two in the morning.
    I read that the human body can't process Fructose. Since cutting out Apples and Honey I feel a lot better.
    I also noticed anything with high amounts of fat (beef, yiros) or including garlic and onions is a big trigger food.
    Since avoiding these I have been feeling a lot better. If I have a flare up I drop down my fibre and retreat back to white rice, chicken and mixed veg + eggs and some oats.
    Still not perfect but have eliminated stimulants as the root cause. I reckon other factors are at play here

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  • simonsk8r
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    Originally posted by Rocky View Post
    My observation is that "Stomach" problems are much more widespread in the population than people think. Look at the the amount of advertising done for anti-reflux treatments. Most of my male friends take H2 Receptor-blockers or Proton Pump Inhibitors for Reflux. Lots of people, if pressed, will admit to IBS and related problems. Modern medicine does not have a good understanding of stomach/gut problems and consequently treatment is very 'hit and miss'. I have had Reflux problems for 30 years (more severe as I age) and my GP and I have tried various strategies to understand and treat it without success. I have had Gastroscopies, Colonoscopies and X Rays that show no pathology. I have consulted Specialists who had no clue how to treat the condition and wanted to focus on diet which I long ago discounted as a cause although I have determined that a few things do exacerbate the problem (greasy food, wine, chocolate and too much caffeine) My adult Daughter has similar problems more IBS-related than Reflux-related which suggest a possible genetic link. We are both high-stress perfectionist A-type personalities who operate at a naturally high level of arousal. Sound familiar? I am of the opinion that personality-type is a major causal factor in gut-related conditions where there are no other identifiable physiological causes and have found personally that lifestyle changes can often help to reduce the severity of symptoms. Anxiety-prone people in high-stress occupations is a recipe for disaster.
    Spot on Rocky! And I feel it's not so much in trying to completely change one's personality and traits, but in embracing the strengths of it (perfectionists have amazing attention to detail, can be incredible artists, researchers, and appreciate the smaller things), whilst letting go of the excess components of it and the tendency for it to go to the extreme (eg obsessiveness, procrastination due to fear of not getting it perfect etc). Learning from other personality types and easing up on yourself helps . Been quite a journey for me learning to be more adaptive, less rigid, and let go of excess tension.

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  • Rocky
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    My observation is that "Stomach" problems are much more widespread in the population than people think. Look at the the amount of advertising done for anti-reflux treatments.
    Most of my male friends take H2 Receptor-blockers or Proton Pump Inhibitors for Reflux. Lots of people, if pressed, will admit to IBS and related problems.
    Modern medicine does not have a good understanding of stomach/gut problems and consequently treatment is very 'hit and miss'.
    I have had Reflux problems for 30 years (more severe as I age) and my GP and I have tried various strategies to understand and treat it without success.
    I have had Gastroscopies, Colonoscopies and X Rays that show no pathology. I have consulted Specialists who had no clue how to treat the condition and wanted to focus on diet which I long ago discounted as a cause although I have determined that a few things do exacerbate the problem (greasy food, wine, chocolate and too much caffeine)
    My adult Daughter has similar problems more IBS-related than Reflux-related which suggest a possible genetic link.
    We are both high-stress perfectionist A-type personalities who operate at a naturally high level of arousal. Sound familiar?
    I am of the opinion that personality-type is a major causal factor in gut-related conditions where there are no other identifiable physiological causes and have found personally that lifestyle changes can often help to reduce the severity of symptoms.
    Anxiety-prone people in high-stress occupations is a recipe for disaster.

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  • simonsk8r
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    Originally posted by dazza555 View Post
    I've always had a sensitive stomach but things became serious after an intensive course of intravenous antibiotics many years ago for appendicitis. Only recently have I found out that I also have a genetic disease and things were always going to become worse and will continue to decline with age. I could never give up coffee though and where modern medicine said nothing could be done I took my degree in molecular and microbiology and searched for a way. I've found no definitive answers yet but I have made progress and do have a good handle on managing regularity. I eat a very high fibre diet with a mix of different sources of fibre (think cruciferous vegetables, rye bread, legumes, etc) but more importantly I eat a lot of fermented foods (sauerkraut, kumbutcher, yogurt, beer, etc ) which contain a high amount of probiotics. Simply taking a yakult every day did nothing for me and I don't think it does much for anyone (marketing and placebo comes to mind). Also any magic pill claiming to contain billions of probiotics is a certain waste of money for reasons I'm not going to get into. A combination of natural high fibre foods, the widest range of probiotics I can find and routine has helped me. Trying to permanently re-adjust the gut microbiome is next to impossible if your genetics simply don't allow for the growth of a specific organism but that doesn't mean you can't benefit from them. It simply means they won't live forever in your gut and you will need to artificially replenish them. As others have suggested anxiety and stress are also very important, in fact I have worked in a field studying the link between a persons microbiome and their mental state. While this research is in its infancy early signs do show links between depression, tendencies for anger and mental acuity to the gut microbiome and altering the microbiome has showed direct changes to these characteristics in animal models. Further I've found avoiding artificial sweeteners, fructose and high sugar content food and limiting dairy has been beneficial to me at least. Keep in mind I am no way saying do this and you will be fine, I just hope that knowing someone in your position has found a way that works for them means you could too. Best of luck.
    Good on you for actually doing your research and not just taking the medical advice that there's nothing you can do. I've had to do the very same with my pelvic issues after 5 trips to emergency and the doctors just scratching their heads. Not by any means discrediting or slamming the medical model, as they could only do what they knew, but there were certainly some disappointing limiting attitudes seen still... Something just may not fit within the medical framework, so requires looking into other areas of expertise for sure.

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  • dazza555
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    I've always had a sensitive stomach but things became serious after an intensive course of intravenous antibiotics many years ago for appendicitis. Only recently have I found out that I also have a genetic disease and things were always going to become worse and will continue to decline with age. I could never give up coffee though and where modern medicine said nothing could be done I took my degree in molecular and microbiology and searched for a way.

    I've found no definitive answers yet but I have made progress and do have a good handle on managing regularity. I eat a very high fibre diet with a mix of different sources of fibre (think cruciferous vegetables, rye bread, legumes, etc) but more importantly I eat a lot of fermented foods (sauerkraut, kumbutcher, yogurt, beer, etc ) which contain a high amount of probiotics. Simply taking a yakult every day did nothing for me and I don't think it does much for anyone (marketing and placebo comes to mind). Also any magic pill claiming to contain billions of probiotics is a certain waste of money for reasons I'm not going to get into. A combination of natural high fibre foods, the widest range of probiotics I can find and routine has helped me.

    Trying to permanently re-adjust the gut microbiome is next to impossible if your genetics simply don't allow for the growth of a specific organism but that doesn't mean you can't benefit from them. It simply means they won't live forever in your gut and you will need to artificially replenish them. As others have suggested anxiety and stress are also very important, in fact I have worked in a field studying the link between a persons microbiome and their mental state. While this research is in its infancy early signs do show links between depression, tendencies for anger and mental acuity to the gut microbiome and altering the microbiome has showed direct changes to these characteristics in animal models.

    Further I've found avoiding artificial sweeteners, fructose and high sugar content food and limiting dairy has been beneficial to me at least. Keep in mind I am no way saying do this and you will be fine, I just hope that knowing someone in your position has found a way that works for them means you could too. Best of luck.

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  • warmtone
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    Originally posted by motion2082 View Post
    Hey guys,

    I'm a 38 old male, 6ft, slim build 65kg.
    For the past 3-5 years I have had a lot of IBS gut issues which have resulted in frequent trips to the toilet.
    At one stage it got so bad that I would avoid going on a train, plane, bus or driving for long periods of time out of fear I would need to go to the toilet.
    I have realised that I suffer from high anxiety and stress which results in a lot of trips to the bathroom. These usually are triggered by stressful situations whether they be in the office or early in the morning before the 45 minute commute.

    I'm a coffee drinker and have been for a long as I can remember. I average 1-2 cups a day (expresso or a couple of instant coffees)

    Lately I have been feeling really frustrated because my stomach problems will not go away. I have seen doctors who take blood tests and tell me I'm fine.

    I've noticed that I have a high dependency on caffeine and every day I need my stimulant to function. I fear that this is the root cause of my gut health issues.

    To make things worse I just bought a single boiler expresso machine, grinder and barista kits but I feel like I should be giving up caffiene completely to heal myself rather than compacting my stimulant addiction which I have had for over 20 years.

    Anyone else here that can related? Should I sell all my coffee gear and go caffeine free to heal my gut and anxiety/stress issues?
    Hi while I do not have IBS problems I do suffer from acid reflux problems and as a consequence have suffered gut health problems for many years.
    ‘Fortunately I can treat it with medication and still enjoy a brew or two.

    Based on what I have read there is a myriad of issues that can contribute to your problem and it’s important to find the root cause.
    H Pylori overgrowth and about 20 other nasties in the gut can cause a range of issues with digestion and the bathroom end of things.
    Gut health problems are often not diagnosed by regular GP’s - and I suggest seeking out a top naturopathic GP who may recommend some breath or stool tests to find out if you have gut fauna problem.

    Sometimes people can pick up serious gut problems from oversees trips or even bad take away food!

    Gut problems can also affect our mental health and general well being - so treating your gut problem is an investment In a better quality of life.
    Once properly treated you may also enjoy reduced anxiety levels and better quality of sleep.

    You are a young bloke and need to resolve this before it becomes chronic and harder to treat.

    Once normal gut health is restored sensible coffee consumption will not aggravate the situation.- so selling your coffee gear in my opinion Is not necessary.
    Good luck and don’t give up on resolving this important health issue.

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  • simonsk8r
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    Originally posted by motion2082 View Post
    Hi Simon, Thank you for the details reply. Sorry to hear about your issues as well. I always feel depressed and upset when I think about having to give up coffee cold turkey. I have tried a couple of times and never succeeded. Adenosine Receptors being stimulated too much over the years are probably the cause but I'm no health expert https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4YOwEqGykDM That's where I'm currently at. Coffee doesn't help my IBS, stress or anxiety levels. Have tried deep breathing, cutting out Gluten, Red Meat, Dairy, wheat and some days I'm fine. Some days though I feel very frustrated and annoyed. I also love coffee too much and can't imagine ever giving it up completely. That makes me realise I have an addiction to a stimulant that I need daily to function which is a weakness in my personality. I think a lot of the anxiety stems from lack of control and working myself up about situations I can't get out of or getting angry for not having the stomach and guts to be the leader people look up too. The current state of the world or the thought of having kids, getting married, having a mortgage, dying feels like a life sentence but sometimes so does a office job. It's trying to not let those negative thoughts take over that are always there. Always a work in progress calming the mind and trying to be optimistic instead of pessimistic. Lack of energy definitely plays a bit part.
    Yeah for sure, I was drinking coffee for many many years, but again going cold turkey (ie going from lots of coffee to zero) is not a good idea. Even just lowering your consumption may help, just until you get on top of these issues.

    That's great you've tried a few things diet wise! And it may not even be that you need a stimulant to function, but simply that your body has gotten used to it. I know if I cut it out and went to zero coffee straight away, the withdrawals are there!! But I don't necessarily depend on it. I drink it out of enjoyment, and it's more that I'd get withdrawals as a consequence of it. Dunno if that makes sense, but wouldn't see it as a weakness of personality in any way at all.

    Yeah I think you've hit the nail on the head with those root causes and beliefs... and beliefs like that you don't have the "guts" literally has an impact on your guts, like you're experiencing! Beliefs/what you hold in mind and health are inextricably linked, that's great you've looked into it within yourself. And I think releasing those deep expectations of yourself and the immense pressure you put on yourself will absolutely help. And yeah who said you have to be the image of a leader and be on top of absolutely everything in life, you know? That's a lot of pressure to live up to... we're all doing our best with what we have, and I know I've had to let go of the immense demands I placed on myself. Easing up on myself and learning to relax and be gentle to myself was critical.. as no one else can do it for me.

    And for sure those things have weighed on me too... and it wasn't until I started really questioning life that I could begin to recontextualise it, and see what I wanted my priorities to be, and be clear with the direction and follow and live out what I actually valued in life.

    And yeah for sure, definitely a work in progress all this... all this is just food for thought, certainly no expert, but it's just all stuff that's occurred to me in my own health journey. Take care

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  • motion2082
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    Originally posted by simonsk8r View Post
    So sorry to hear your troubles... That's never an easy thing to go through, and appreciate your honesty and vulnerability. I can relate in some ways for sure.

    I've had IBS issues and really quite bad acid reflux in one phase of my life only a few years ago. Always had anxiety issues too, which have caused really quite severe tension issues. There was a time where the reflux was quite bad, and along with obviously the important worries regarding it, I was really quite upset that I may have to give up coffee...
    Hi Simon,

    Thank you for the details reply. Sorry to hear about your issues as well.
    I always feel depressed and upset when I think about having to give up coffee cold turkey. I have tried a couple of times and never succeeded.
    Adenosine Receptors being stimulated too much over the years are probably the cause but I'm no health expert
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4YOwEqGykDM

    Originally posted by simonsk8r View Post
    I knew that coffee wasn't potentially helping the situation... I went through a few times of cutting back to no coffee for the odd week, but honestly I just cut back most of the time. Especially during my tension issues. Prior I used to drink 3-4 double shots a day (usually 3), but I went down to 2. I sorted out and worked through alot of those issues, especially anxiety being at the root of it, and I didn't have to give up coffee.

    I love coffee too much to give it up... not as a dependency but as a passion. I was prepared to give it up if it legitimately was causing any of this, but I knew that it wasn't. Alot of gut issues, IBS, reflux and so on are rooted in anxiety. I would make working on that a real priority in your life, seeing what your triggers are, understanding and gaining more awareness into your own beliefs and perception regarding how you see yourself and the world, learning ways of deep relaxation and more importantly how to move in the world in a more relaxed and natural way, and learning to be kind to and gentle with yourself.
    That's where I'm currently at. Coffee doesn't help my IBS, stress or anxiety levels. Have tried deep breathing, cutting out Gluten, Red Meat, Dairy, wheat and some days I'm fine. Some days though I feel very frustrated and annoyed.

    I also love coffee too much and can't imagine ever giving it up completely. That makes me realise I have an addiction to a stimulant that I need daily to function which is a weakness in my personality.

    I think a lot of the anxiety stems from lack of control and working myself up about situations I can't get out of or getting angry for not having the stomach and guts to be the leader people look up too. The current state of the world or the thought of having kids, getting married, having a mortgage, dying feels like a life sentence but sometimes so does a office job. It's trying to not let those negative thoughts take over that are always there.

    Always a work in progress calming the mind and trying to be optimistic instead of pessimistic. Lack of energy definitely plays a bit part.

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  • 338
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    Motion I have no idea or medical knowledge, but rather than sell your gear without knowing the end result why not just try 3 weeks or so without coffee? The first week or so will be withdrawal symptoms but after that see how you feel and gauge whether you should continue. Only you know your body. Even if it works because you think it works is still a win, sometimes it is just good to feel that you are getting some positive steps towards your own health. For all the medical knowledge we expect quick results, yours may well be a situation which requires experimentation. Good luck!

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  • DrHenley
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    If I drink caffeinated coffee in the morning it doesn't bother me, but if I drink it in the afternoon it does. But I get coffee cravings later in the day sometimes and had to find something. And find something I DID! "Sumatra Organic Decaf Mandheling SWP FTO" AKA "Sumatra Royal Select Water Process Decaf"

    I had a friend with the same problem as you and he was complaining about having to give up drinking coffee altogether because all the decafs were terrible. I sent him some of the Sumatra Decaf I roasted, which he said was some of the best coffee he ever drank (several people have said that) Now he gets to enjoy his coffee without ill effects. He has thanked me profusely LOL. My daughter is a tea drinker but she likes my Sumatra Decaf and drinks it regularly. I've used it to make half-caf blends because it is not that bright but has body out the wazoo,.
    I don't know of any preroasted decaf that tastes good enough for me (there may be, I just don't know about them), but if you home roast there are a lot of water process decafs out there that you can tailor to your specific tastes. Roasting the water process decaf requires forgetting everything you know about roasting and starting from ground zero. With the Sumatra decaf, when first crack finishes it looks like a Vienna roast, but it tastes like a City+. It has zero chaff.
    It is easy to pan roast...if you ignore the color, LOL.

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  • simonsk8r
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    Hey motion2082.

    So sorry to hear your troubles... That's never an easy thing to go through, and appreciate your honesty and vulnerability. I can relate in some ways for sure.

    I've had IBS issues and really quite bad acid reflux in one phase of my life only a few years ago. Always had anxiety issues too, which have caused really quite severe tension issues. There was a time where the reflux was quite bad, and along with obviously the important worries regarding it, I was really quite upset that I may have to give up coffee...

    I knew that coffee wasn't potentially helping the situation... I went through a few times of cutting back to no coffee for the odd week, but honestly I just cut back most of the time. Especially during my tension issues. Prior I used to drink 3-4 double shots a day (usually 3), but I went down to 2. I sorted out and worked through alot of those issues, especially anxiety being at the root of it, and I didn't have to give up coffee.

    I love coffee too much to give it up... not as a dependency but as a passion. I was prepared to give it up if it legitimately was causing any of this, but I knew that it wasn't. Alot of gut issues, IBS, reflux and so on are rooted in anxiety. I would make working on that a real priority in your life, seeing what your triggers are, understanding and gaining more awareness into your own beliefs and perception regarding how you see yourself and the world, learning ways of deep relaxation and more importantly how to move in the world in a more relaxed and natural way, and learning to be kind to and gentle with yourself.

    But all that being said I don't know the full situation, and can't give any medical or other advice, professionals are always the best to give that. But can only share my experience, and I'm happy to chat more about all this stuff too. And if you do give coffee a full break at any stage, do NOT go cold turkey haha... eeeeease your way and gradually reduce coffee! Best of luck, and please let us know how you go

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  • motion2082
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    Stimulants are causing me gut health issues

    Hey guys,

    I'm a 38 old male, 6ft, slim build 65kg.
    For the past 3-5 years I have had a lot of IBS gut issues which have resulted in frequent trips to the toilet.
    At one stage it got so bad that I would avoid going on a train, plane, bus or driving for long periods of time out of fear I would need to go to the toilet.
    I have realised that I suffer from high anxiety and stress which results in a lot of trips to the bathroom. These usually are triggered by stressful situations whether they be in the office or early in the morning before the 45 minute commute.

    I'm a coffee drinker and have been for a long as I can remember. I average 1-2 cups a day (expresso or a couple of instant coffees)

    Lately I have been feeling really frustrated because my stomach problems will not go away. I have seen doctors who take blood tests and tell me I'm fine.

    I've noticed that I have a high dependency on caffeine and every day I need my stimulant to function. I fear that this is the root cause of my gut health issues.

    To make things worse I just bought a single boiler expresso machine, grinder and barista kits but I feel like I should be giving up caffiene completely to heal myself rather than compacting my stimulant addiction which I have had for over 20 years.

    Anyone else here that can related? Should I sell all my coffee gear and go caffeine free to heal my gut and anxiety/stress issues?
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