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  • Which Cafe "Brand"?

    Having taken out a small mortgage to buy Coffee gear, I am reluctant (too broke) these days to buy coffee out. When I do though, I might look for the coffee "Brand" which is often plastered on umbrellas, partitions and cups.

    Brands condemned by CS are Vittoria, GJ and Lavazza which you often see around the place. Emerging brands seem to be Tobys Estate and others.

    Sometimes the brands you often see in the supermarket such as Grinders, served at a cafe seems tastes pretty good so I wonder whether the supply chain for Cafes is different than that at the supermarket, eg turnover is minimised to 3weeks post roasting.

    Do any insiders know about the process and can recommend the brands to head for? I know it also depends on the Barista and the turnover, dosage used etc. In Sydney where i live there are so many cafes to head for that it might be possible to make a choice based on the coffee brand alone.

    Jason

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    Re: Which Cafe "Brand"?

    Hi Al

    I just go on the taste alone.

    First in the line-up that can make or break the coffee is the barista or lack thereof. There are lots of cafes that dont have a well known brand name of beans but if the beans are fresh and they have a good barista it will be good coffee. I have had excellent Vittoria and Lavazza at cafes. I have had a brand name coffee that I have taken one sip of and got my money back. Yes Tobys is certainly good as they have proper baristas making coffee from fresh beans. And some cafes are inconsistent and its a lottery.

    Mike

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    • #3
      Re: Which Cafe "Brand"?

      To be brutally honest, often times brand is irrelevant.

      Its the individual(s) making the coffee that make the most difference.


      Whereabouts in Sydney? Im sure others might divulge which local haunts are preferred.

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      • #4
        Re: Which Café "Brand"?

        I was working at Nth Sydney for a while last year and found a café using Campos.

        "Great" I thought, as Id had it before at Campos itself in Newtown and liked it.

        So I tried my usual flat white.
        They murdered it.
        I felt like ringing Will at Campos and telling him.

        What I ended up doing was buying whole beans from the place for use at home but never drank from there again.

        As stated by others above, the brand is no guarantee of a good coffee in the cup.

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        • #5
          Re: Which Cafe "Brand"?

          I go by roasted on dates as opposed to use by dates as an indication of quality regardless of brand - and if the roasted on date is not present, I dont bother buying the product!

          You may also want to consider roasting your own - I wont say its easy but its great fun, and you can set up a home-roasting device for very little

          cheers,

          pat

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          • #6
            Re: Which Cafe "Brand"?

            Stay away from MAP coffee, or basically any coffee that you know are imported roasted. Very unlikely that they would have roasted them fresh in say, Italy, and then packed and sent, cleared customs and got to the cafe in 3 weeks after it was roasted.

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            • #7
              Re: Which Cafe "Brand"?

              Originally posted by Wine_of_the_Bean link=1214363659/0#2 date=1214364651
              To be brutally honest, often times brand is irrelevant.

              Its the individual(s) making the coffee that make the most difference.


              Whereabouts in Sydney?  Im sure others might divulge which local haunts are preferred.

              i agree.... you cant make a good coffee with bad/old/stale (etc) coffee. But you can definatly make a bad coffee from good beans.

              it is one third good coffee (brand) one third machine and one third the barista. you need all 3 for a good cup!

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              • #8
                Re: Which Cafe "Brand"?

                Id weight the barista at 50%, and machine/grinder at slightly less than 25% and coffee at slightly over 25%.

                Good barista technical skills and good coffee will almost nearly mean a sure fire good coffee......even on poor machines like CMAs et al.

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                • #9
                  Re: Which Cafe "Brand"?

                  Grinders is the "Coca Cola" Coffee Offering, (was offered to me by my Coca Cola Rep when I bought my cafe)

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                  • #10
                    Re: Which Cafe "Brand"?

                    everything is important. One bad step wrecks whats in the cup. It would be a good brand to keep strict standards and still make money.

                    green beans - roasting - storage - grinding - dosing - tamping - extraction - machine variables - milk - cup - mood of customer and what they just ate.

                    umm what did i miss?

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