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  • #31
    Re: Palate Training & Sensory Analysis - Oct 4-5

    Hi all,
    Ok yeah, my brain is hurting from trying to process the stuff thats gone through it over the past few days. The guys above have pretty much summed it up.

    The great thing about this course is that no matter what stage you are at you WILL benefit from it. Whether youre at the "Ive been roasting for 20 years" end or the "Im pretty sure Ive only got 4 taste buds" end of the scale like myself, you WILL benefit from it.

    All those fears of feeling intimidated etc go right out the window because, as per usual, coffee people seem to be the nicest, least intimidating people on the planet.

    Now Im pretty keen to spend the next 5-6 days Ive got here in Melbourne to do some coffee therapy Im sure there are a few places

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    • #32
      Re: Palate Training & Sensory Analysis - Oct 4-5

      Originally posted by Michelle link=1220319907/20#29 date=1223247992

      Yeah, look, why dont you all just come round to my place  ;D

      Seriously, what kind of space/equipment do you need to set it up?
      I wonder if a coffee roastery would suit?

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      • #33
        Re: Palate Training & Sensory Analysis - Oct 4-5

        Are you volunteering yours Den?

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        • #34
          Re: Palate Training & Sensory Analysis - Oct 4-5

          Originally posted by Michelle link=1220319907/20#32 date=1223253470
          Are you volunteering yours Den?
          Yep, I guess thats an offer Michelle - if it suits the needs for the course.

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          • #35
            Re: Palate Training & Sensory Analysis - Oct 4-5


            Funny you ask


            A good sized sink (100s of glasses and cupping bowls need rinsing), and a bit of benchtop to do that on.

            We would need a deli grinder (tick), seats for 20 odd and tables to work off (which could be hired).

            Yeah, a coffee roasterie could work!

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            • #36
              Re: Palate Training & Sensory Analysis - Oct 4-5

              Originally posted by Michelle link=1220319907/20#29 date=1223247992
              Seriously, what kind of space/equipment do you need to set it up?
              Space-wise, its pretty simple; you basically just need tables and chairs to fit all participants.

              Setup-wise, its a bit more of a PITA. I think that the chances of being able to run day one without someone like Lindsay doing it are nil, naught and nothing. For starters, you need to work out what the relevant compounds are, which ought not be too difficult, I guess. Then you need to buy the compounds that you want to use, which isnt that difficult, but the problem is that you will have to buy them in the minimum quantities that Merck or whoever supply them in, so theres probably significant expenditure there. Then you need to work out the correct dilutions for the compounds, for which you will need a hell of a lot of clean bottles, lots of distilled water, a few different mechanical pipettes ($$$), some water baths and probably other miscellaneous equipment. In practical terms, I doubt that you could run day one unless you had access to a lab that already had most of the compounds that you need and it probably wouldnt be a great session unless the person running it really knew what they were doing. Hence the need to get Lindsay in.

              Day two would be easier to run, but would still require a lot of effort. Basically, you need a whole bunch of samples roasted correctly for sample roasting. The Aceh samples were the highlight of the whole thing for me because it must be next to impossible to get a set of such samples unless you have the right contacts. I defer to pro roasters who actually sample roast as to the difficulty of obtaining good sample roasts, but I note that one of the tasting pairs that we did was actually the same yirgacheffe on a sample roaster and on a shop roaster. The two couldnt have been more different. People also brought along a number of espresso roasts for the final cupping session and those roasts didnt really stand up and have much to say in comparison with the proper sample roasts. Dont underestimate the difficulty in actually sourcing samples that will behave as you intend them to, as well! Simon and I found both of the harrars to be quite bitter and unpalatable ... which has been reflective of the many disappointments that harrars have given me over the years.

              You could certainly run something of this genre, but the difficulty will probably be in getting someone who really knows what they are talking about to run the relevant parts of the sessions. Im sure that there are many pro roasters out there for whom the session would be old hat, but Im equally sure that there would be many out there who would have found the whole thing quite new.

              Simply getting together to taste a bunch of coffees would probably be a valuable exercise, but, having been interested in coffee for many years, I can tell you that peoples enthusiasm for such an activity is usually less than the effort that they will put in to actually run it. That is part of the reason why I was happy to shell out hard-earned cash for this session; the other is the sheer PITA factor of organising it.

              I would be happy to coordinate a cupping session of sorts in Melbourne in December if we can find a location to host it.

              Cheers,

              Luca

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              • #37
                Re: Palate Training & Sensory Analysis - Oct 4-5

                Originally posted by luca link=1220319907/20#35 date=1223256798
                Originally posted by Michelle link=1220319907/20#29 date=1223247992
                Seriously, what kind of space/equipment do you need to set it up?
                You could certainly run something of this genre, but the difficulty will probably be in getting someone who really knows what they are talking about to run the relevant parts of the sessions.  
                I actually thought the idea was that a Sydney one being run by the same people :-? ... I thought I got that impression earlier ... maybe it was just wishful thinking ...

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                • #38
                  Re: Palate Training & Sensory Analysis - Oct 4-5


                  I think that the chances of being able to run day one without someone like Lindsay doing it are nil, naught and nothing.
                  Agreed!

                  Yes Michelle, I was talking about the whole show going on the road, Jill and Lindsay were open to the idea when it was tossed around.

                  Im not sure of the logistics it would be a (pun warning) full pallet of stuff and most of it glass but having a venue (a potential great venue Dennis!) makes it one step closer to happening.

                  ...I own a big van and heck, Sydney is just up the road right?


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                  • #39
                    Re: Palate Training & Sensory Analysis - Oct 4-5

                    The roastery has plenty of room for a pallet load of gear; already have the tables and chairs for 20 or so people; have a spare 1800x600 stainless benchtop; sink - hmm, its just a standard single sink...is it possible to hire dishwashers?

                    Load up the beanmobile Andy!

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                    • #40
                      Re: Palate Training & Sensory Analysis - Oct 4-5

                      Originally posted by Dennis link=1220319907/20#38 date=1223270538
                      The roastery has plenty of room for a pallet load of gear; already have the tables and chairs for 20 or so people; have a spare 1800x600 stainless benchtop; sink - hmm, its just a standard single sink...is it possible to hire dishwashers?

                      Load up the beanmobile Andy!

                      Heck, if it means I can get my butt to this course - Ill do the washing up

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                      • #41
                        Re: Palate Training & Sensory Analysis - Oct 4-5

                        Originally posted by Michelle link=1220319907/20#39 date=1223276812

                        Heck, if it means I can get my butt to this course - Ill do the washing up
                        Me too Michelle!

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                        • #42
                          Re: Palate Training & Sensory Analysis - Oct 4-5

                          Originally posted by Michelle link=1220319907/20#39 date=1223276812

                          Heck, if it means I can get my butt to this course - Ill do the washing up

                          Youd think about that harder if you saw how many glasses we went through... trust me

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                          • #43
                            Re: Palate Training & Sensory Analysis - Oct 4-5

                            Yeeza and Luca:

                            So you guys will recommend this course, I am looking to go to the next one.

                            Regards


                            Renzo

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                            • #44
                              Re: Palate Training & Sensory Analysis - Oct 4-5

                              Originally posted by Di Bartoli link=1220319907/40#42 date=1224629115
                              Yeeza and Luca:

                              So you guys will recommend this course, I am looking to go to the next one.

                              Regards

                              Renzo
                              I believe everyone many people who have attended recommends this course Renzo, and Im hoping that the cuppacoffee roastery is selected as the Sydney venue.  If so, youll be very welcome!

                              EDIT: Having read back through the thread Ive realised that I should have said "many people", not "everyone". I certainly dont know every participants individual views.

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                              • #45
                                Re: Palate Training & Sensory Analysis - Oct 4-5

                                Sure, let me know. I am trying to go to the CafeBiz at Port Maquarie, are you comming.


                                Regards

                                Renzo

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