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  • Thundergod
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    Most of my research was done here on CS.
    IMO that played a huge part in my ability to get it right the first time without having to sacrifice any virgins beans.

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  • Dimal
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    LOL... ;D ;D

    Im not suggesting you turn the first roast of each new bean type into a BBQ... Just the first ever couple of roasts you do. Probably equates to two batches of about 80g each..... Ive wasted way more than this by incorrectly roasting untried beans after the first couple of roasts - and a couple of those nearly caught fire because I wasnt as attentive as I should have been. Wasnt intentional.
    The other batches I wasted in the early days was purely based upon a lack of knowledge, the results of which tasted terrible in the cup and had to be tossed. Like we are always reinforcing here though, keep records of all the roasts you do so as to avoid poor end results as well as the good ones...

    Cheers,
    Mal.

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  • WSullivan
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    OK, settle boys, gee ya cant get away with much around here!, i just mentioned it because for the sake of 90 cents worth of beans, it taught me a lot, i must of worded the original post badly, im hardly a source for advice this early in my coffee addiction career! i did say "almost charcoal", anyway back on topic.....

    ps cheers for backing me up mal!!, you gave me the tip in the first place!

    let us know how

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  • PiccoloLatte
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    Ive learnt heaps doing the popper roasts.

    I will learn even more as I do more of them, and I will probably get a coretto up and running at some point.

    Im not saying Ill never end up with charcoal beans as a result of trying a new roast profile. But I am saying I wont do it on purpose.

    Im tasting last nights effort in a few minutes. Then every day or so until I run out of it. Thats the sort of experimentation I like!

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  • Thundergod
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    Originally posted by 1B36323E335F0 link=1241318448/30#30 date=1244204726
    Each to their own
    Agreed. Hence my putting forward my point of view.

    Originally posted by 1B3A3131362C5F0 link=1241318448/31#31 date=1244205122
    sacrificing a few beans is not a waste, but an investment.
    I didnt say "waste".
    "Ruined" I suppose equates to the same thing, but it wasnt the cost I was worried about.

    I agree there are variables, but I did a lot of reading before my first attempt and knew what to expect, including variables.

    Was I lucky that my first batch went as hoped or did my research and ability to translate that into actions play a big part in the result?

    Originally posted by 1B3A3131362C5F0 link=1241318448/31#31 date=1244205122
    What if I were to say these beans taste best at RSC?
    That doesnt mean they arent drinkable before SC.

    My point was that my first roast was drinkable (nice actually).
    Subsequent roasts got better as I managed to mod my popper to roast the beans better.
    I learned as I went but never produced a bad roast.
    Some were better than others and I learned from that too.

    Also, "better" is subjective.
    I roasted some beans for a guy at work that could tell when Id had a problem with getting the beans into my cooler.
    It was my first corretto batch and I dropped an oven mitt from memory and took an extra 10 - 20 seconds above my usual time to commence cooling.
    He mentioned that batch wasnt as good as all the previous ones so I consulted my notes and saw the difference.
    The next batch I did for him I made sure did not roast for too long and he was very pleased with the result.
    I must say that I couldnt taste the difference. The thing was he could.

    So learn, learn, learn.

    Ive roasted a lot of the PNG Kimel as you know.
    I used to go 30 seconds into SC.
    Everyone liked it and I had a profile to stick to.
    About a year ago I tried stopping the roasts just before or on SC and found I like it more that way.

    So Ive learned a lot, changed the way I do things, learned some more
    (but still havent charcoaled a roast  ).



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  • Dennis
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    Originally posted by 506C716A606176636B60040 link=1241318448/26#26 date=1244193263
    If you read here what to expect theres no need to sacrifice a batch.
    My first popper batch went as expected.
    I stopped about 30 seconds into SC.

    Why did I need to go further and see the batch ruined?
    I hope to never see that happen.  
    TG, this approach presumes there are no variables, and yet there are.  What if I were to say these beans taste best at RSC?

    You cant smell the aroma from watching a video, and you cant see the size and colour transformation from a description.

    I think there were a lot of people who told Columbus that they didnt have to sail a boat over the horizon, to know it would drop off the edge of the World.

    Sure, a little guidance helps, but ultimately, if you do everything the same; dont deviate from tradition or stretch the boundaries, then life, roasting coffee, and the results of both will be mundane.  

    I know I dont want to live my life like that.  

    The other thing is that people keep bragging that one of the main reasons for home roasting is how much money they save.  Well, I think going through the *whole process* and sacrificing a few beans is not a waste, but an investment.

    Im with Mal...
    Originally posted by 406D696568040 link=1241318448/27#27 date=1244196187
    Ill still recommend that new-starters do this though as it is a quick and dirty way to gain a first hand understanding of all of the milestones through a roast and the tell-tales that go along with that. Much easier to experience all of that first hand in my view rather than have to keep going back and forth trying to squeeze out explanations for everything second hand...
    Cheers!

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  • Dimal
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    Well, for me (being of a very curious frame of mind), I wanted to know what happens at all stages of a roast, not just the beginnings of or early stages of Second Crack(SC). I also (popper) roasted small batches of beans to all stages of a roast as per the pictorial explanation provided in Sweet Marias website and then cupped the results later on; with the exception of the really burnt beans.

    I cant see anything wrong with wanting to personally experience, observe and record every stage of the roasting process. It all adds to ones knowledge base and helps, not hinder ones complete understanding of the process.

    Fair enough if you dont want to do this, I did and so did a lot of others when I used to frequent the alt.coffee usenet group years ago. One way or another, I learned an awful lot about many aspects of the roasting process and many other things.

    Each to their own... 8-)

    Mal.

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  • PiccoloLatte
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    I agree TG. You only get so many beans for your dollar. So why waste them unnecessarily?

    I heard FC and SC in my first ever roast. I guessed it was SC, and was right. Plus, SC was easier to hear when I turned off the popper and poured the beans into a bowl (a few random snaps).

    About 30 mins ago I roasted some of the DRC Matadi.
    I did three roasts of increasing size. Just because I thought I could. The last was 1.5 of the standard breville scoops. I would guess 100-130g. I base that on getting a full 250g bag out of the 3 roasts and the last was the biggest.

    Took all three to the first snaps of SC. No worries 8-)

    No charcoal for me!

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  • Thundergod
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    You will learn about FC without have to charcoal a roast.
    Youll hear RFC without having to charcoal a roast.
    If you are attentive enough youll hear SC without having to charcoal a roast.
    Go a bit further and youll hear RSC without having to charcoal a roast.

    I still dont understand whats to be learned from pushing it any further.
    I know if I do, it will turn to undrinkable charcoal.
    I dont need to see it with my own eyes to believe it.

    Morbid curiosity may make me do it one day to see if the beans will indeed burst into flames as stated above. But other than that...why bother?

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  • Dimal
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    Fair nuff TG,

    Ill still recommend that new-starters do this though as it is a quick and dirty way to gain a first hand understanding of all of the milestones through a roast and the tell-tales that go along with that. Much easier to experience all of that first hand in my view rather than have to keep going back and forth trying to squeeze out explanations for everything second hand.... 8-)

    Mal.

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  • Thundergod
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    Originally posted by 52567069696C73646B050 link=1241318448/25#25 date=1244184559
    sacrifice one batch of beans
    I disagree with this approach.
    If you read here what to expect theres no need to sacrifice a batch.
    My first popper batch went as expected.
    I stopped about 30 seconds into SC.

    Why did I need to go further and see the batch ruined?
    I hope to never see that happen.

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  • WSullivan
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    Its great fun isnt it!
    I learnt a big lesson from the experts around here, and it was so helpful, and its prolly a good idea for anyone starting to roast their own....sacrifice one batch of beans, say 80g for the popper or 150g for a Coretto, roast till it is almost charcoal, you will learn to identify the FC, then RFC, then SC.....then charcoal! it will help you hear what the second crack sounds like in relation to FC, and you will learn how long it can go for too, !BE CAREFUL NOT TO START A FIRE! (They will burst into flames if left too long

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  • djb3500
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    Not surprised at the "bitterness" from the Madikeri in a popper - I did two roasts from that batch - one undrinkable and the other very harsh, bitter and with an aftertaste that hung around well after its invitation had expired. For the third attempt I took them to just over 1st crack (214C) and upped the grind considerably. Not my favourite bean so far, must say - has anyone with a temperature variable roaster got good results ?

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  • bolb
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    The amount of smoke you get will also depend on the qty of beans you are roasting each time.
    I do 500gm batches in my correto and yes there is a considerable amount of smoke but the fan cooling the heat gun helps to dissipate it quickly.

    Mal

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  • PiccoloLatte
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    No worries - but im pretty sure I saw it somewhere here previously so I cant take all the credit.

    Yeah, mine have been crackling when I tip them out too. Ive always thought this was a good thing as I knew I hadnt gone all the way through 2nd crack.

    I dont know about the smoke - I havent got any noticeable smoke either. It could be because of the fan.

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