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  • The Princess Fat Free Fryer..... is it a 49 Euro Behmor killer???

    What do you guys think about this:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DduvNqIh3wg
    (awfull backgroundmusic alert - sound off please!)

    Its a fat free fryer, with a Behmor-like rotating basket. On sale in The Netherlands (where I live and HG/BM roast my coffee) for only 49 euro (60 AUD).

    Looks like a homeroasting dream come true.


  • #2
    Re: The Princess Fat Free Fryer..... is it a 49 Euro Behmor killer???

    Not entirely sure that itd be all that effective at roasting beans. Sure, you could perhaps try it, but Im thinking that the temperature profile is not the right sort for beans.

    Given that its got a set temperature, and is based on length of time to cook, theres a good chance that you could end up with baked coffee, rather then roasted

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    • #3
      Re: The Princess Fat Free Fryer..... is it a 49 Euro Behmor killer???

      That may be the case. But I think the design is great. So easy to take out the beans/basket. And with the transparent front you can watch the color of the roast. It even has a chaff-drawer!

      If it doesnt roast that well out-of-the box then I  could turbo-charge the Fat Free Fryer. Drill a hole in it and add my heatgun.
      I will  also use my Variac to control the temp 

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      • #4
        Re: The Princess Fat Free Fryer..... is it a 49 Euro Behmor killer???

        Its certainly a good base to build a coffee roaster from. IMO.

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        • #5
          Re: The Princess Fat Free Fryer..... is it a 49 Euro Behmor killer???

          Some of the least appetising fod I have ever seen...

          BUT it would seem that it has great potential for a offee roaster.

          Looks like there are a few different settings available, and its ready for roasting with no mods necessary.

          The price is right too!

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          • #6
            Re: The Princess Fat Free Fryer..... is it a 49 Euro Behmor killer???

            Please try it out and report back. My dads coming out here in a few months time and hes wanting to know what to bring along

            Id be interested to know how the roaster (!) handles chaff, if the beans all fall out when you lift the drum, if the heat generated is controllable - which may be perhaps with a simple mod?

            The specs say it consumes 1250w, which is about the same as the behmor does when its not got the afterburner going, so heat wise it should be on par.

            Ive got a behmor and it produces some fantastic roasts. But it does have some shortcomings. Primarily that the cooling cycle takes forever to cool the beans and it is adventurous to take the hot drum out to dump into an external cooler (I use garden gloves, which works OK). Another would be that once turned off you cant turn it back on again for quite a while. Not good if you need another minute or two to achieve the desired roast level. Darn safety features

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            • #7
              Re: The Princess Fat Free Fryer..... is it a 49 Euro Behmor killer???

              Bought the FFF (fat-free-fryer)-roaster today. Did a quick dry run, to check the temperature. Temp rose reasonably fast to 230 Celc. Not bad! At 230 degrees the heater turned off for a few seconds and switched on again. So theres some surgery needed to kill the heat-sensor - I love it!

              First roast was a laugh. Never in  my entire HG/BM roaster life  did I end up with with such an uneven roast: Cinnamon, City, Vienna, French, Italian.... all in one batch. Shame on you FFF-Roaster.


              Its happy heavy modding time I guess





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              • #8
                Re: The Princess Fat Free Fryer..... is it a 49 Euro Behmor killer???

                Originally posted by 3E3E2A285C0 link=1328029562/6#6 date=1328636954

                First roast was a laugh. Never in  my entire HG/BM roaster life  did I end up with with such an uneven roast: Cinnamon, City, Vienna, French, Italian.... all in one batch. Shame on you FFF-Roaster.
                It needs something inside the roast drum to mix the beans and stop them from settling and sliding as a single clump. The Behmor drum has several angled agitator vanes fixed internally that do this well.

                Maybe you can fabricate a removable bracket with vanes to fit. Dont make it permanent until you test the effectiveness of different shapes, size and positions.

                Originally posted by 3E3E2A285C0 link=1328029562/6#6 date=1328636954
                Bought the FFF (fat-free-fryer)-roaster today. Did a quick dry run, to check the temperature. Temp rose reasonably fast to 230 Celc. Not bad! At 230 degrees the heater turned off for a few seconds and switched on again. So theres some surgery needed to kill the heat-sensor
                And youre back to temperature monitoring manually. Of course at 49 Euro (any price really)  the materials used may not cope with constant high temperatures that might result.

                An interesting alternative maybe but no killer.
                Let us know about your continuing journey. Sounds like fun.

                BTW How are you cooling beans?



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                • #9
                  Re: The Princess Fat Free Fryer..... is it a 49 Euro Behmor killer???

                  Could be useful for a pre-roast blend, not sure how youd get the right beans to the right roast level but good to know it can do multiple roast levels in the same roast ;D

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                  • #10
                    Re: The Princess Fat Free Fryer..... is it a 49 Euro Behmor killer???

                    Originally posted by 575251515F5641330 link=1328029562/7#7 date=1328660168
                    It needs something inside the roast drum to mix the beans and stop them from settling and sliding as a single clump. The Behmor drum has several angled agitator vanes fixed internally that do this well.
                    +1 - I used a George Foreman rotisserie for several years to excellent effect and I can see no reason that this one would not perform superbly with some vanes to turn the coffee when roasting.

                    Looks like it would handle a big batch too.

                    I love the design for the drum - My biggest issue was getting the beans out for cooling, no problems with this machine.

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                    • #11
                      Re: The Princess Fat Free Fryer..... is it a 49 Euro Behmor killer???

                      It needs something inside the roast drum to mix the beans and stop them from settling and sliding as a single clump.
                      Spot on! Thats the first mod that came into my mind. So yesterday I attached 6 extra "vanes" to the inside of the drum. Will test this setup tonight. ill post some pics too.

                      Temperature control is no problem. Ill use my variac to lower the inputvoltage, and control the temp of the heater. Small side-effect: lowering the voltage also slows down the drum rotation. (next mod coming up ;-) )

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                      • #12
                        Re: The Princess Fat Free Fryer..... is it a 49 Euro Behmor killer???

                        Looks vey interesting!
                        Some more questions:
                        What batch size do you roast?
                        What are the times to 1st / 2nd crack?
                        Any issues with chaff or smoke?

                        And send us some photos of your mods.

                        BTW, have you ever tried roasting in a saucepan over gas stove? I sometimes do and the mixed roast level looks very familiar to me Depending how far they are apart (green and charred is no good) it may turn into a very nice cup.

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                        • #13
                          Re: The Princess Fat Free Fryer..... is it a 49 Euro Behmor killer???

                          Heres a pic of the recent mod (added vanes).

                          Mod did help a bit, but not enough. Still having an uneven roast. I guess I need some airflow inside.

                          I have no chaff issues. The FFF-roaster has a flimsy drawer. Most of the chaff ends up there. Theres some chaff in the drum/basket too, but when I dump the beans in my bucket-cooler the chaff is blown into the air.

                          My normal batchsize is about 500gr /1 lbs. No problem with my hg/bm setup (thanks Corretto).
                          For the FFF-roaster tests I roasted 200gr or less.

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                          • #14
                            Re: The Princess Fat Free Fryer..... is it a 49 Euro Behmor killer???

                            I recon three or four paddles about 4cm x 4cm would do the trick - the beans really need to be turned over in a big way to get an even roast.

                            Here is the George Foreman basket which gives a superb roast...

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                            • #15
                              I know, old post, but I noticed Google is picking it up and I saw this on sale in a shop last friday so its still relevant.

                              I have one of these and got it to work very well after some experimentation. I put in two aluminium vanes along the length of the drum. One transports the bulk of the beans to the left, and the other does the reverse. This manages to even out the effects of the moderate airflow inside the drum and the resulting temp. differences between left and right.

                              I also added a cheap chinese PID controller.



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                              Nowadays I can roast 400g with no issues, haven't tried any more to be honest.
                              The trick is to keep notes and profiles. The machine has held up well these last couple of months, I think its seen about 2 Kilos now. I notice some of the plastic material around the lid seems to have deformed due to the heat but at this stage its mostly cosmetic.

                              If theres anyone out there wanting to try one I'd say go for it!

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