Re: Yemen Ismaili Roast
this came out as a very uneven roast, both in expansion of the beans as well as colour....i did this one in a quick ramp-up (about 6min) to FC , then a slow down to SC (at about 11 min) as that was the way it was suggested in one of the earlier threads about he ismalii... and i havent been disappointed.
the cup is even now, about 5 days post roast, full, complex, yet very gentle.
absolutely one of the nicest extractions i have had the pleasure to cup.
i would be in line for some more of this sort of bean, Andy....
L
edit: got my tenses mixed up... :P
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Re: Yemen Ismaili Roast
Hi Poddy66Originally posted by poddy66 link=1181218773/15#15 date=1183891383roasted first batch at 232 c for 18 min very uneven roast some beans where roasted nice others had not roasted enough second batch 220c for 22min same type of outcome will find out in 4 days what they taste like i am roasting with a gene cafe has any one had trouble ???? would like to here from others on this PLEASE got these from beanbay have found a lot of small green beans in my bag.
A green roaster eager to learn
cheers poddy66
I think if you speak to or pm Serge (Go Barista) or 2mcm (Talk Coffee) they would give you the best advice re the gene. From what youve said though, I would suggest that your changes are too drastic - 232 then 220 is a pretty big variation. You dont mention weight of your roasts which also have an impact.
I havent tried mine as yet, though unless I hear otherwise, would probably try no more than 250gm at 228* for 20 minutes. Having said that, I tend to watch and listen to the roast like a hawk for the first few times, and if I dont like what I see or hear, I will alter the setting during the roast eg. extending time or increasing temp.
Hope that helps!
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Poddy66
Cant help you out there with the Genecafe. Im using a Breadmaker with a heatgun (Corretto) and Im able to control the roast very well.
My green beans are not very uniform either so dont despair. Some are twisted and tiny, others are more "normal".
I did a second batch last Saturday and same results. Another very even roast, a 10 on the CS membership card (I have mine now, thanks Andy :-) ). So its been 7 days post roast and Ive got a damn cold and blocked nose! So, Im not enjoying it as much (can taste the choc though). I took this batch 30 secs into Rolling SC and its a bit too dark for my liking compared to the first batch. Lost the spice, choc is there, but a little bitter.
Hope other CSers can help you out there Poddy.
Cheers
Javabeen.
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roasted first batch at 232 c for 18 min very uneven roast some beans where roasted nice others had not roasted enough second batch 220c for 22min same type of outcome will find out in 4 days what they taste like i am roasting with a gene cafe has any one had trouble ???? would like to here from others on this PLEASE got these from beanbay have found a lot of small green beans in my bag.
A green roaster eager to learn
cheers poddy66
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Cant wait to test it out...
Ill have to restrain myself. I usually cant wait more than 2 days before tasting. Saying that, Ill probably give in and try it anyway.
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Just a quick update on how this tasted in milk as a latte. The bean cuts through the milk well. When I say it cuts through, you can taste the choc, but it blends smoothly with the milk at the same time. I noticed that the chocolate was even more pronounced in milk than as an espresso.
What I really liked about it though was the subtle spice flavour that came through that added another dimension to the chocolaty flavour. It really made the latte more special other than just another mocha flavoured coffee. The spice is not as noticeable in milk as in an espresso, but it did lift the flavour to make it more than just another mocha flavour milk based coffee. Very nice.
One thing Ive appreciated about this bean is the lesson it has taught me about letting roasted beans rest for a longer period instead of the usual 2 days. Ive done this with some Ethiopian Yirg and Tiger Mountain Ive roasted since and have been rewarded by letting them rest at least 4 days. The flavours mellow and the coffee is not as bright so Ive been better able to pick up on the subtle flavours in each roast and bean variety. I guess longer resting periods work for my palate.
Now that this has been offered in Beanbay tonight, I will be interested to see what flavours other CSers get from their roasts.
I should get my CS membership card this month with my Beanbay purchase I made tonight. So Ill have a roast scale to use :-) I will roast another batch in the coming weeks and see where it sits on the scale.
To those CS’ers who bought some tonight, happy roasting with your batch. Remember, roast nice and slow and youll be rewarded.
Javabeen.
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Gday MC,
The two bean varieties are quite different, the PNG Peaberry is a relatively easy bean to roast while the Yemen Ismaili, being much harder, is best roasted for a longer time and probably to the start of Rolling 2nd-Crack. The PNG PB I would pull well before 2nd-crack starts otherwise you risk losing the fruity/berry notes that make this such a great SO bean....
Mal.
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Gday benthx,Originally posted by benthx link=1181218773/0#9 date=1182687077Where can I buy these little green beans??
Depending on availability, you can buy them right here at BeanBay time. Members are automatically notified via email when the next BB will be, but I cant say when the next crop of Ismaili will be available as very few bags come into the country and then theres no guarantee that any singular crop will be up to scratch.
One and the sameOriginally posted by benthx link=1181218773/0#9 date=1182687077Are these the same as the Yemeni Mocha Ismail?
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For a factory made roaster, Id draw your attention to the Site Sponsor list on the top L/H side of the page..... a couple of whom sell home roasters, namely Coffee Roasters Australia, Go Barista.Originally posted by benthx link=1181218773/0#9 date=1182687077Need to buy a roaster too. Gene cafe/ I rosto.
All the best mate.....
Mal.
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Where can I buy these little green beans??
Are these the same as the Yemeni Mocha Ismail?
Need to buy a roaster too. Gene cafe/ I rosto.
All help greatly appreciated.
Thanks
Ben
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Mmmm,
Sounds like youre having some fun there jb ;D. A good Ismaili is definitely a bean that stands out from the rest, no risk about that. It is also one of those rare beans that retains much of its intensity for quite a long time so it is possible to continue enjoying its delights for up to a couple of weeks.... Absolutely one of my favourite beans 8-), but then again, I seem to have a lot of favourite beans since joining the CS Community ;D and sampling all the wonderful beans that Andy very cleverly obtains for us,
Mal.
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OK, Ive bean (pun intended) tasting this over the past few days at 5, 6 and 7 days post roast.
The pour is giving a nice thick velvety crema. Its not 80% as at day 2 but now about 40-50% settling to several millimetres thick. So its settled after a good rest as you would expect, but settled very nicely.
The flavours have mellowed out and the spice has been tamed. At day 7, the fruitiness and spice are at a good balance for my palate without one being more dominant than the other. One things for certain though and that is that the brew is super smooth and very rich in chocolate. This is as an espresso. I dont drink lattes much but tomorrow and over the weekend, Ill try it in milk and see how the flavours fare.
Javabeen.
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Mal,
It was too hard to wait it out mate. I gave in last night, only 2 days after roasting. I couldnt resist as the smell of the beans every time I opened the cupboard with the bag theyre resting in was overwhelming...and it tasted amazing. :-)
There was a lot of crema (around 80%) in the pour which settled to a good solid head several ml thick.
As an espresso the taste was very smooth and velvety, rich and spicy at the start with definite chocolate flavours that dominate the taste towards the end. A lot of cocoa dark chocolate flavour there that is a real treat.
I made a latte with the Yemen and all I can say is it’s in a league of its own in milk. Again, at the start, there were fruity/spicy flavours that came through followed by dark chocolate flavours that blend in with the spice. The addition of milk really brings out the dark chocolate flavours. But in milk, the choc flavours blend in remarkably well with the spice and it makes for a truly unique tongue tantalising experience I havent had before. It’s an amazing flavour combination.
The flavour is very full and lively whereas comparing it to say Ethiopian Sidamo (which I roast to bring out the chocolate flavours) is very chocolaty but a flat chocolate as it doesnt have the spice.
The interesting thing is how good it tasted just 2 days after resting. I havent bean home today to taste it again. Will definitely be firing up the Gaggia tomorrow morning for another drop of this truly great bean.
Javabeen.
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Hey there jb,
Its a bit hard to guesstimate colour via photos on a monitor unfortunately. The new Member Cards have only just become available and are shipped with any bean order (not starter packs though) from the last BeanBay we had. So, if you order some beans at the next BeanBay your new Member Card will be included automatically.
Anyway from your description, Id reckon your roast is going to be nigh on perfect for the Ismaili and youve really got some great coffee to look forward to. From what Ive read about the current crop of Yemen Ismaili, the fruity notes are not as prevalent as past seasons but the combination of spice and rich, dark chocolate still make for an awesome brew. Gonna be hard to wait it out mate ;D....
Mal.
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Thanks guys 8-)
Will let it roast for 4-5 days as I remember Mal saying something about it in another thread. Also based my roast profile on his suggestion in that thread ;-)
Mal/Wushoes,
I didnt think it was going to turn out as even as it did. The beans were quite different in size - some where very small and solid looking, while others where bigger and fuller. I was expecting a very uneven roast. So I took it nice and slow and stretched it out.
As for where it sits on the CS roast card, not sure as I dont have one - I missed out on beans in January and getting a card. How do I get one?
But looking at the card thats on this website, Id say its a 10. If I can get a CS roast card in the next few days Ill be able to do a more accurate comparison. This will be great.
Cant wait to cup it.
Javabeen.
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