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  • #31
    Re: Milk temperature

    Patrick,

    The only information I can give you that might be of any help is that we are instructed to turn off the steam at 60 degrees and it will probably continue to rise in temperature up to 70 degrees.

    This is not my opinion, this is what I have been taught from various sources, whom I dont necessarily want to disclose here. Suffice to say they are industry professionals themselves.

    I dont always serve the drinks at this temp either. Usually they are hotter as most people dont understand how coffee should really be consumed and insist on having their drink very very hot! Weve discussed this before too!

    As to your list, I have never seen one. Like I said, most of us get told by our trainers/teachers/industry pros etc, what the temp should be.

    And if you are trying to find out if the different drinks should be served at different temps, I think that you will find out that they all get the same treatment. Read back through this forum as well, you might also find your answers amongst the various topics.

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    • #32
      Re: Milk temperature

      Originally posted by Thundergod link=1155266544/0#10 date=1156257701
      Originally posted by poundy link=1155266544/0#8 date=1156249923
      My $11 contribution......
      Not as short an sweet as my comment but well said.

      I tend not to use smilies much, so sometimes my sense of humour may not be blatently obvious.

      I may actually be tempted to invest in a thermometer out of curiosity.
      As an auditor I like to follow processes. Consistency is a big thing to me.

      And as you say, we all have different sensitivities.
      I for one have been doing martial arts for over 30 years so my hands are not quite as soft as my office profession might suggest.
      I also worked at Pizza Hut for 6 years and held the record at my store for how long you could keep your hand in the oven (I was young and it can get boring on quiet nights).

      I do think though that Id also relegate the instrument to the drawer once Ive satisfied myself that I can judge fairly accurately manually.

      For the moment though, Ive had no complaints from either the barista that taught me or my family who are now subject to my brews.
      Well I got myself a thermometer and tried it out.
      Either Im getting soft or my teacher was way off the mark because according to the dial Ive been way short of 65C all this time.

      I boiled up some water on this stove this morning to see how accurate the thermometer is and while bubbling away it was just a few degrees shy of 100.
      So even if not 100% accurate I figure its close enough.

      I have to make up a few more jugs of milk yet, but at the moment I cant use the feel method because its even too hot for me.
      So Im going to have to adapt to holding the jug for a shorter period of time at the base when testing and try to get the sound right as well.

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      • #33
        Re: Milk temperature

        So, in my POV, (depending on the type of milk) it is best at 65C. If you have customers who complain this is too cold.....make sure you are pre-heating your cup. I like to fill my cup with boiling water for a few minutes (even if it has been pre-heated on top of the machine it is not up to 65C so the milk goes cold when you pour). Pre-heating your cup with boiling water ensures that the heat in the milk is not lost in heating the cup up...get it?

        So, I always pre-heat my cups with boiling water and never have complains of the temp of the coffee being too cold...even the "HOT" people are happy as they still have they beautiful SWEETNESS of the milk

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        • #34
          Re: Milk temperature

          Ive been using a modified milk jug which has a hole drilled to take a thermometer just over the handle (illustrated in the Scott Rau The Professional Baristas Handbook).  It is important to use a properly calibrated thermometer - Ive seen them vary by as much as 20 degrees. Like others here - if a customer asks for a "hot" coffee I pre-warm the cup (using boiling water) in advance of the order.  Never had a complaint. All of my coffees are at 65 degrees (if Im doing special latte art - a bit cooler).  As an aside Ive noticed over the years that a LOT of customers who ask for hot coffees then sit on them for five plus minutes.  Try making another coffee at the same time & drop a thermometer into it then check the temperature when the customer actually drinks his/hers.

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          • #35
            Re: Milk temperature

            Originally posted by 7F6F6363786D536B6D600C0 link=1155266544/3#3 date=1155765387
            You could probably stop heating up the milk at about 55 degrees as by the time you turn off the steam and take the wand out of the jug, the milk has reached the temp you are after. As generally, the temp does keep rising after being heated.

            Out here, sadly, too many people want to drink their drinks way way too hot, and if you serve up a 65 degree drink, they consider that cold! Ugh. But the customer is always right...

            I,m glad there,s a slow but definite trend away from boiling hot coffee. Drinkers are gathering the hint that the quality comes from not steaming hot coffee, but delicious, flavoursome coffee that,s been extracted and textured properly.
            If a customer wants a very hot coffee, my trick is to steam the milk til right to 65 degrees, and serve it in the cup which has been warmed by filling to the top with hot water from the machine prior. I stick the teaspoon in the cup as well, as teaspoons do contribute slightly to bringing the temp down.
            Layer of microfoam would be a bit thicker than usual too to preserve the heat.
            And yes Blue House, i,ve seen many a customer leave their coffee for 5 minutes because it,s too hot to drink straight away ;D. There,s no way they can come back to you and say it,s not hot enough, you can come back to them saying they,ve left it there for 5 minutes with a cheesey smile on your face.
            The customer is always right??....have to laugh quietly to oneself ;D

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            • #36
              Re: Milk temperature

              I had a friend visit for the first time and ask for me to make their coffee "extra hot".
              I refused on the grounds that I had no idea of what that meant.
              I told her Id make one my way first, as for all I knew everywhere else might be making them "cold".
              After that, I told her, wed have a reference point to work from.

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              • #37
                Re: Milk temperature

                Personally i dont know how anyone can even drink coffee at 65 degrees unless they have a insulated lip and palate or eat Habaneros without flinching. When liquids at that temp. passes through the tongue, hundreds of taste buds "passes" out and takes some time to recover, thus destroying the ability to discern nuances in coffee.
                I get the same effect in wines, except the opposite way. Too cold, and you cant pick up characters, then if left to right temperature, and only takes a few minutes... characters and complexity shows itself like asparagus, apples, straw, vanilla oak etc.

                On the flip side, i,ve been to some cafes and restaurants here in WA where they have served coffee only past lukewarm, but i,d prefer that, at least i can taste the characters of the espresso through the milk.

                Gary

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                • #38
                  Re: Milk temperature

                  There is some evidence to suggest that drinking really hot drinks can increase the risk of throat cancer... fun times!

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                  • #39
                    Re: Milk temperature

                    Originally posted by 625E4358525344515952360 link=1155266544/35#35 date=1285124389
                    I had a friend visit for the first time and ask for me to make their coffee "extra hot".
                    Me Gorp. Me put hot rock in wood cup. Me make coffee hot for Anguh. Anguh like. Anguh mate with gorp.

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                    • #40
                      Re: Milk temperature

                      Originally posted by 7A49464C51776F06280 link=1155266544/38#38 date=1285126440
                      Originally posted by 625E4358525344515952360 link=1155266544/35#35 date=1285124389
                      I had a friend visit for the first time and ask for me to make their coffee "extra hot".
                      Me Gorp. Me put hot rock in wood cup. Me make coffee hot for Anguh. Anguh like. Anguh mate with gorp.
                      If Id known in my younger days the effect that good coffee had on the fairer sex, Id have started this coffee journey a lot sooner.

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                      • #41
                        Re: Milk temperature

                        I refuse to burn milk even for customers :P I have gone from Thermometers to stick ons which work a treat and seem accurate to a couple of degrees against even a digital meter.

                        As to what milk temp 60-65 suits, more on the 60-62 end for coffees and I push up the hot chocs a bit more toward 65. If I am being bothered to have a play with latte artish even a touch below 60 as it pours better IMO.

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                        • #42
                          Re: Milk temperature

                          I absolutely HATE coffee made too hot; it changes the taste of it and burns my tongue!!!!

                          My local cafe has one girl who always makes it too hot (i have to wait 15 minutes to drink it)...I unfortunately made the mistake of telling her she makes coffees too hot. Now, I get it at about 45-50 degrees and its lukewarm! I did the same yesterday at some random cafe when I was out for a work meeting. My meeting was about to start, but desperately needed a coffee fix, so I asked the barista to not make it too hot...damn freaking lukewarm again!!!

                          Had dinner in the Brisbane CBD last year with my wife for our anniversary...had a coffee after our meal and it came lukewarm...when I asked them to make it again as it was actually nearly cold, the waiter told me that "you westerners" (he was Italian) want your coffee too hot and this is the correct temp to make a good coffee...he then refused to make it again and walked away...was rather amusing!!

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                          • #43
                            Re: Milk temperature

                            Originally posted by 46757A706D4B533A140 link=1155266544/38#38 date=1285126440
                            Me Gorp. Me put hot rock in wood cup. Me make coffee hot for Anguh. Anguh like. Anguh mate with gorp.
                            Still trying to work out who is teh playing the male role ;D

                            Originally posted by 53717C667F71140 link=1155266544/41#41 date=1286280448
                            he then refused to make it again and walked away...was rather amusing!!
                            I could see it both ways...


                            The hard part is that 20 people sit down to dinner and 20 different temps would be expected..

                            At some stage the supplier is going to draw the line and that means that 19 little princesses might just have to suck it up ;D


                            PS. I have learnt.. If too hot, then DUMP it in the bin. If ya ask for some extra milk to cool it down, you usually get 1/2 the cup poured out and topped with cold milk and it still tastes burnt and no flavour left...

                            If a bit cool... It can still be OK just not ideal as the heat... But if ya take the time, you can still pick-up many good flavours etc.. AND not destroy your tong.


                            If given the choice - Lukewarm OR SCALDING F#C$# HOT

                            I would take the lukewarm every time

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                            • #44
                              Re: Milk temperature

                              Originally posted by 012E2725320D212E2127252D252E34400 link=1155266544/42#42 date=1286282138
                              If ya ask for some extra milk to cool it down, you usually get 1/2 the cup poured out and topped with cold milk and it still tastes burnt and no flavour left...
                              Ask for the milk to be brought to you to adjust it yourself.

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                              • #45
                                Re: Milk temperature

                                Originally posted by 210E0705122D010E0107050D050E14600 link=1155266544/42#42 date=1286282138
                                f given the choice - Lukewarm  OR  SCALDING F#C$# HOT

                                I would take the lukewarm every time  
                                Im with you AM--if its so hot it needs cold milk to cool it down, then the flavour is already ruined.

                                Greg

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