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    Firstly, i must say that these are some of the sexiest milk frothing devices i have every seen (tried really hard not to make that last sentance lude). And after opening the box was so excited to start texturing away.
    I must say my first few attempts were pretty shoddy at best and it took around 30-40 or so caps till i was really satisfied with the microfoam. I must say, now that ive adjusted my technique to the jugs i find them to be quite forgiving as long as you remember where their sweet spot is.
    My biggest issue though lies with the spout. It shoots out perfectly horizontal with the rest of the jug which makes latte art very difficult to pour at the best of times and almost impossible when the jug is 3/4 or more full. The foam seems to dive through the crema and its very hard to get it to layer on top of or brake apart the crema to pour really nice rosettas (this is much easier when the jug is 1/3 to 1/2 full).
    I was wondering if anyone else has had similar experiences with the toroid and/or has any advice?

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    Cool to see people trying these out. My experience with them was pretty much the same as yours - it seemed to make texturing the milk slightly easier and pouring latte art slightly harder. However, by fluke I think that I stumbled upon the answer ... and I hope that I can explain it in text ... so much easier in person! Basically, the angle at which spouts come out on normal jugs means that you have to tilt them less to get the angle of the jug closer to parallel with the table. So with the espro jug I needed to adjust my technique by holding the jug lower down and lifting the bottom of the jug up more ... in other words, making the line that the edge of the spout makes more parallel with the table ... or tilting the jug further forward. I hope that makes sense. Using the ordinary technique of frothing and splitting for two drinks resulted in relatively good results for me when pouring like this. However, I have probably tried this technique out less than a dozen times, so any feedback that you had on it would be appreciated. It seems to make sense to me that a different jug and spout shape requires a bit of a change to technique.

    Cheers,

    Luca

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    • #3
      Re: The new espro toroid jugs

      Yeah, absolutely. I think i know what you mean about the angle of the spout. I did manage to pull off a couple of nice rosettas but couldnt really work out what was different. Though i did notice that when i was splitting the milk before pouring (for say two caps) i was getting much better rosettas than if i was pouring two coffees (say a cap, followed by a latte) one after the other from the jug. And that correlates with your recommendation re/ the spout angle (ie/ after splitting the milk, there is a much more horizontal spout for pouring due to less milk in the jug). Thanks for the feedback, cant wait to try it out tomorrow!

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      • #4
        Re: The new espro toroid jugs

        So Guys

        Is this becoming your jug of choice?

        As site sponsor Veneziano is now selling these, I would like to know your recommendations before I decide whether to order :-/

        Gary

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        • #5
          Re: The new espro toroid jugs

          Originally posted by flowta link=1197690716/0#3 date=1197914475
          So Guys

          Is this becoming your jug of choice?

          As site sponsor Veneziano is now selling these, I would like to know your recommendations before I decide whether to order :-/

          Gary
          Havent tried these Gary and from what Ive read here about having to learn how to use this jug actually puts me off. Then again Im biased as we all may be - I have a couple of Metallurgica Motta (MMs) so of course I like them! Didnt have to learn how to use them, nice weight and quality, pour beautifully, and also available from site sponsor...Coffee Parts.

          I guess its what works for you - maybe a sponsor will have a whole range of jugs lined up to try one day like the machines...the price certainly seems to warrant it! ;D

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          • #6
            Re: The new espro toroid jugs

            I ordered one of these jugs from Veneziano last Friday...and it arrived in Adelaide on Tuesday...great delivery time, methinks!!
            I have been using the jug that came with my EM6910 since I got it in January, and although I eventually mastered an adequate microfoam, I could never get a rosetta happening...NOT EVEN CLOSE!!!...
            ...enter the Espro yesterday...first thoughts were: great looking jug, but handle a little too small for my hands.
            First go, I found it much easier to produce the best microfoam I have ever achieved...it all seemed to fall into place much quicker.
            By my third attempt...ROSETTA!!!!!!....slightly small leafed, but a well defined, symmetrical rosetta none the less.
            I dont know why, cant give any hints, but for me this thing makes it all happen...and the small handle seems to give me better control

            I am stoked!!!!

            Cheers,
            buff

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            • #7
              Re: The new espro toroid jugs

              After having used this jug for a couple of weeks now im getting the jist of it. Ive found that for decent latte art the jug needs to be less than half way full and you cannot pour the rosetta too quickly. This has been a good thing as it has forced me to focus on some of the finer points of texturing and pouring that i have let become almost too habitual and without thought.
              I probably wont be using these jugs seriousely in a commercial environment as i find im just much much quicker using a generic jug (though this may be due to familiararity) but i am still keen to keep practicing with it. I find my foam to be considerably more dense for cappuccinos and so will keep practicing with the espro for the next comp.

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              • #8
                Re: The new espro toroid jugs

                i think psaigh is correct - the level of the milk in the jug is critical - if you notice on the instructions it says 125-200ml in the jug to start with - this is almost 20mm below the spout line! so if you are finding that your ending up with foam up to 3/4 of the jug - youve started with the wrong level. we have to think about this 560ml jug not as a 600ml unit, but as a 300ml unit. i to still have not mastered it but am getting there - darn it sexy though & stiff

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                • #9
                  Re: The new espro toroid jugs

                  Originally posted by buff link=1197690716/0#5 date=1198066325
                  I ordered one of these jugs from Veneziano last Friday...and it arrived in Adelaide on Tuesday...great delivery time, methinks!!
                  I have been using the jug that came with my EM6910 since I got it in January, and although I eventually mastered an adequate microfoam, I could never get a rosetta happening...NOT EVEN CLOSE!!!...
                  ...enter the Espro yesterday...first thoughts were: great looking jug, but handle a little too small for my hands.
                  First go, I found it much easier to produce the best microfoam I have ever achieved...it all seemed to fall into place much quicker.
                  By my third attempt...ROSETTA!!!!!!....slightly small leafed, but a well defined, symmetrical rosetta none the less.
                  I dont know why, cant give any hints, but for me this thing makes it all happen...and the small handle seems to give me better control

                  I am stoked!!!!

                  Cheers,
                  buff

                  update......WAAAHHHHHH.....its all gone to hell in a filter basket.....since my earlier gloat, I just cant seem to get good microfoam with this jug, so forget about trying to improve on my once only rosetta.....I keep ending up with macrofoam :-[
                  I dont know what I am doing wrong...interested to hear about the instructions that gaggiaboy is talking about...my jug did not come with any instructions...Im using the normal texturing technique as described ad infinitum on this forum
                  cheers

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                  • #10
                    Re: The new espro toroid jugs

                    Can anyone post a pic of one of these things for the completely uneducated members on the espro... thanks.... Ray.

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                    • #11
                      Re: The new espro toroid jugs

                      The image came from the espro site itself (Espro, 2007,retrieved 10/1/08)

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                      • #12
                        Re: The new espro toroid jugs

                        Nicely referenced NE1

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                        • #13
                          Re: The new espro toroid jugs

                          Not really, as I couldnt include the web address. But thanks :-[

                          Hope thats what you were after Ray C.

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                          • #14
                            Re: The new espro toroid jugs

                            Thanks mate, it really is a different looking jug isnt it....... Ray.

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                            • #15
                              Re: The new espro toroid jugs

                              What sizes do those jugs come in? Just the usual 600mls?

                              Unusual shape. When I am at Lucas next I will have to have a look.

                              -Linda

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