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  • #16
    Re: The new espro toroid jugs

    yeah but the really unusual part is the base - lets post foto of the base! its crazy! ..... the jug is only 560ml - even in canada.... but as stated previously it is effectively a 300ml as you only can put 125-200ml in it...

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    • #17
      Re: The new espro toroid jugs

      I purchased one several days ago, and havent had much success at creating microfoam. Ill try it out with less milk, and post my result later.

      On the pouring side of things, even though the foam is much less than perfect, I can see that it is going to be difficult to get the hang of.

      Its a pity they advertise this as being the easiest thing to use to get good results. Kind of disappointing. Always better to undersell in my opinion.

      If theres anyone out there who has the hang of it, may I suggest you consider posting a video on youtube so that the rest of us can learn from your technique?

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      • #18
        Re: The new espro toroid jugs

        I had one of these in my hands the other day and found the handle to be quite a tight fit around my fingers - or maybe I just have big fingers. I guess it could give you good control over the pour, but I just didnt find it comfortable to hold.

        Decided to stick with the MM jugs and bought 3 more for the roastery - theyre also shinier than the toroids.

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        • #19
          Re: The new espro toroid jugs

          Originally posted by Dennis link=1197690716/15#17 date=1204705183
          ... or maybe I just have big fingers ...
          the nostrils in your avatar indicate not mate  ;D

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          • #20
            Re: The new espro toroid jugs

            Originally posted by gaggiaboy link=1197690716/15#15 date=1200049786
            yeah but the really unusual part is the base - lets post foto of the base! its crazy! ..... the jug is only 560ml - even in canada.... but as stated previously it is effectively a 300ml as you only can put 125-200ml in it...
            200 mL...are you nuts? I can make 2x 230mL drinks out of the Toroid. Which brings me to the question....what are you doing?

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            • #21
              Re: The new espro toroid jugs

              Reporting back after at least another 10 attempts.

              Ive tried 200 mL with no success, as well as volumes down to 150 mL and up to 250 mL.

              I find that, contrary to the sexy 3-D animation on the espro website, there is NO toroidal flow happening, no matter where and with what angle I place the spout. Im using a 6910, so maybe theres just not enough pressure, however I can get a good spin using other jugs, so pressure shouldnt be the problem. I tend to find that theres a dead space at the top, and the foam is just not being carried down again, and so not being broken up finely.

              Extremely disappointed at this stage, and almost ready to throw in the towel.

              Glad that it comes with a no questions asked guarantee for a year! I might be using it soon.


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              • #22
                Re: The new espro toroid jugs

                Hi folks, first post.

                Ive had a 6910 for a couple of months and wasnt satisfied with my texturing. Id tried both 600ml and 300ml standard jugs. I went through the whole rigmarole of trawling forums, watching youtube videos, trying different wand positions, different temperatures, different stretch-swirl times, different types of milk, etc but could not get consistent dense microfoam.

                I had a talk to Wushoes when I was in at Veneziano buying beans. On his recommendation I re-programmed the 6910 steam as suggested elsewhere on this forum (+5 degrees, -0.1 sec off) AND I purchased a Toroid jug. My verdict - AWESOME! Ive done about 50 jugs over the last two or three weeks and have yet to have a dud. I found the standard jugs to be very sensitive to technique, it was easy to muck up a batch. The Toroid on the other hand seems to produce a good result almost regardless of what you do, and with a little care routinely produces a great result.

                As Wushoes just posted, doesnt matter whether you do 230ml or 460ml. Both work just fine with the 6910. Maybe others are having trouble because their machines produce more steam than the 6910? But for those with 6910s, the Toroid is the missing component in producing consistently good coffee at home.

                My technique:
                Keep jug in the fridge (why? because that was one of the things I tried earlier and Ive just kept doing it).
                Pour in the right amount of milk for one or two drinks, currently using Pauls (why? because thats what the local shop sells) or Safeway.
                Fit a thermometer (why? you guessed it, carry-over from the rigmarole, but I find it helps me to get a consistent temperature).
                Purge wand.
                Put the wand into the jug - I rest the wand in the spout and alter the angle of the wand so that it is pointing at the centre of the jug (where the Toroid has its special dimple). I keep the jug pretty well horizontal. DONT tip the jug to one side or try for an off-centre whirlpool effect.
                Turn on full steam.
                Lower the jug to surf the surface of the milk - this seems very easy with the Toroid, gently hisses along with no sudden bursts. Keep the wand pointing at the centre of the jug, this may require small wand angle changes as you lower the jug.
                I normally keep stretching until about 40 degrees and then stop lowering the jug and allow the tip to churn below the surface until about 50 degrees. (This is 5-10 degrees cooler than I do with a standard jug, seems to be more thermal lag with the Toroid).
                Swirl, tap (ritual) and swirl again.
                Pour.

                I have to say that Im not really into latte art so I cant comment on how suitable the Toroid is for this. But Im pretty confident that the texture of the milk would be up to the task even if the handle/spout/weight etc might not be.

                I hope this helps (and thanks again Wushoes!)

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                • #23
                  Re: The new espro toroid jugs

                  Thanks for the detailed explanatation... Ill give it a try. You say you keep the jug horizontal and aim for the centre... do you keep the wand vertical, or is it ok to be aiming at the centre from an angle?

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                  • #24
                    Re: The new espro toroid jugs

                    Did everything you said PM, including the settings on the 6910, however no luck. Ive tried increasing the steam pressure as well by programming the highest steam temp, but that doesnt work either.

                    IMHO the Toroid is a dud. Im a technically competent guy, and Ive never had so much trouble getting something so supposedly foolproof to work in my life!

                    Youre not the importer, are you?  [smiley=huh.gif]

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                    • #25
                      Re: The new espro toroid jugs

                      Originally posted by javajosh link=1197690716/15#22 date=1204748911
                      ... do you keep the wand vertical, or is it ok to be aiming at the centre from an angle?
                      No, not vertical. Most times I just do enough for one latte, so the angle is about 30 degrees from vertical. That means the tip of the jug is right up at the bend in the wand when you start. Ive noticed that there are more "bursts" when the angle is greater, so err on the side of being more vertical. Ill focus when I make coffee this morning, I think I may have to lean the jug forward towards the machine just a tad.

                      Originally posted by javajosh link=1197690716/15#23 date=1204751072
                      Youre not the importer, are you? [smiley=huh.gif]
                      No, fraid not. Nothing to do with the coffee industry, just trying to help out (and intrigued because the Toroid was very much a silver bullet for me, and for my 22 year old son who also uses the machine).

                      I assume you use a gentle touch and lower the jug very slowly? Is the tip clean and tight? What actually happens? What sounds do you get? What sort of result do you get - bubble rubble, no volume...?

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                      • #26
                        Re: The new espro toroid jugs

                        My first impressions of this jug was that it just didnt work as advertised. I had tried different methods without any improvement on a standard jug and was going to give up on it. Then the wife started using it to great effect and let me know that she thought it was simple to use and that I was useless. Couldnt let that happen so I persevered and finally cracked it.

                        Puk Mans post pretty much sums up the way to use the jug successfully. Once you get it right it produces great microfoam. :P

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                        • #27
                          Re: The new espro toroid jugs

                          Hi SunnyCoaster - can you put your finger on what you started doing differently to "crack" it?

                          And javajosh, I just made a coffee, here are some other pointers that might help. Jug is horizontal. The wand stays in contact with the tip of the spout of the jug all the time, gives stability. At the start, when the wand is deep in the milk, I lower the jug slowly - as I do this, the sounds go from bubbling, to a squeal, then a continuous tchhhhhhhhhhhh - dont lower any further or you get into bursts (Tch....Tch...bubble, bubble...Tch). About half way through, I give a small tug with the jug to realign the wand towards the centre of the Toroid.

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                          • #28
                            Re: The new espro toroid jugs

                            I really appreciate all the tips, but still cant get a good result. For me, its just so much easier using a normal jug!

                            Im going to take it over to my local coffee guru at Di Bartoli, and see what he can do with it.

                            I suspect that Im not getting enough pressure using the 6910, but if I cant get it to work at Di Bartoli, then Im sending it back.


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                            • #29
                              Re: The new espro toroid jugs

                              I might have posted a bit late but am really interested in getting this pitcher from Espro. Do you guys use Silvia 3 hole steam tip? Does it work with this pitcher pretty good? From the illustration of the website, it seems to be designed for single hole tip machine only.

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                              • #30
                                Re: The new espro toroid jugs

                                Hmm,

                                Ive been using one of these for about a month, and I have to say that I dont think it does anything worth the extra $$$. I have no trouble with adequate steam or getting microfoam with my existing jugs. And it is only useful for small amounts of milk, as other CS users have said.

                                I think it is just a bit over-hyped.

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