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  • #16
    Re: Soy in coffee?

    Originally posted by 7F5E585A5D765A4F4F423B0 link=1257370270/14#14 date=1274359258
    I accused them of serving rancid milk...! As Kiki Bean mentioned, cow milk tastes sour when youve been off it for a while.
    Interesting observation, Im an on again off again milk drinker, can go a month without touching a drop but have never experienced this phenomena.
    Perhaps the explanation is that you are looking for some form of sweetener and soy provides it. :-/

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    • #17
      Re: Soy in coffee?

      Originally posted by 1F232A3227460 link=1257370270/15#15 date=1274396305
      Interesting observation, Im an on again off again milk drinker, can go a month without touching a drop but have never experienced this phenomena.
      Ditto surprise.

      Im a minimum of 1/2 litre of milk a day person.
      Been that way as long as I can remember; my mum used to give me a bottle of milk every day to drink and if I couldnt drink it in one go she told me I had to finish it by the end of the day.

      The only time Ive not drunk milk every day was a few years ago after my brain surgery.
      I couldnt stomach any food for almost a week and then slowly managed to get some food into me.

      I hadnt touched coffee since the day before surgery and because I hadnt felt like eating/drinking in that next week, I broke my habit of drinking coffee.

      I didnt touch coffee again for 3 months.

      When I eventually started again my flat whites tasted no different than before.

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      • #18
        Re: Soy in coffee?

        I am also pretty sensitive to dairy (a bit of yoghurt or cheese is ok, but if I drank a cup of milk you would NOT want to be around me for the rest of the day!) so Ive been drinking soy for about 8 years. Now I cant stand the taste or smell, or sometimes even the thought of cows milk. Although I do manage to work with it all day behind the coffee machine.. Im not a vegetarian (but I dont really enjoy meat that often) but just the image of milk coming out of an inflamed, pus-y udder turns me right off. Mustve been the project on dairy farming I did in high school!
        I love the nutty taste of soy on its own and in my coffee
        I agree, Vitasoy Soy Milky is the best soy milk to use when making a latte. So Good is nice to drink straight.

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        • #19
          Re: Soy in coffee?

          Oh and in regards to the OPs comment about the growing trend in people drinking soy coffee - Ive heard that over 50% of the worlds population is actually lactose intolerant. Maybe increased awareness of dietary issues like that mean that more people are learning how to avoid food and drink that makes them sick. When I was a kid I thought it was normal to have to go to the loo right after drinking milk. Apparently not!

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          • #20
            Re: Soy in coffee?

            Originally posted by 36233837373A6163510 link=1257370270/18#18 date=1274878074
            Oh and in regards to the OPs comment about the growing trend in people drinking soy coffee - Ive heard that over 50% of the worlds population is actually lactose intolerant. Maybe increased awareness of dietary issues like that mean that more people are learning how to avoid food and drink that makes them sick. When I was a kid I thought it was normal to have to go to the loo right after drinking milk. Apparently not!  
            Yep and 98% of then are not what many would call western.. And many are in their home environment where it is not an issue...

            Being healthy is one thing... But dont push on others or miss use stats..   I feel for those with real allergies and in particular those that can kill in a short time.  I.e Severe peanut and a number of others.

            My daughter knows her regulars; as would most baristas and good kitchen staff..

            A: For one family it is a major issue... They sit away from every one and the kitchen staff have to use a  just cleaned toaster, all utensils involved have to be out of the dishwasher and not the drawer, and clean the table down with a special cleaning product... Family have offered and provided said product.  

            Do they get charged extra or sent away... NO

            They are treated with respect and when the Mum or day drop in they sit and have all the regular stuff..  This a shame their daughter can not live the same way and be able to make a choice because of why she likes rather than the understanding that if she gets it wrong she could die.

            B: Then there are the trendy loud mouthed people who go out of their way to make a point and cause issues.. For those; I recommend force feeding of every known product to  confirm what makes them ill; and then advise them, that these are the only products that they can order.

            The ones I dislike the most are those that in effect, prey on outcomes of  the real disadvantage such as in A above to make a big show and or get special treatment; when they are 100% healthy other than in their selfish mind set..

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            • #21
              Re: Soy in coffee?

              Dont like the taste of soy milk at all
              Full cream milk all the way!!!

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              • #22
                Re: Soy in coffee?

                Originally posted by 67726966666B3032000 link=1257370270/18#18 date=1274878074
                Ive heard that over 50% of the worlds population is actually lactose intolerant.
                From memory, Wikipedia has a good article on lactose intolerance that shows the break-up through different populations.

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                • #23
                  Re: Soy in coffee?

                  Originally posted by 77585153447B57585751535B535842360 link=1257370270/19#19 date=1274884470
                  B: Then there are the trendy loud mouthed people who go out of their way to make a point and cause issues.. For those; I recommend force feeding of every known product toconfirm what makes them ill; and then advise them, that these are the only products that they can order.
                  Read somewhere the other day that something like 90% of so called allergy sufferers are self diagnosed and have never seen a medical practitioner, whats more (food allergy is a diagnosis favoured by alternative practitioners)  http://www.dermcoll.asn.au/downloads/ASM2008_Adult_Food_Allergy.pdf

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                  • #24
                    Re: Soy in coffee?

                    Originally posted by 09353C2431500 link=1257370270/22#22 date=1274918203
                    Originally posted by 77585153447B57585751535B535842360 link=1257370270/19#19 date=1274884470
                    B: Then there are the trendy loud mouthed people who go out of their way to make a point and cause issues.. For those; I recommend force feeding of every known product toconfirm what makes them ill; and then advise them, that these are the only products that they can order.
                    Read somewhere the other day that something like 90% of so called allergy sufferers are self diagnosed and have never seen a medical practitioner. :  
                    Now lets be fair... Dr Google is rarely wrong... (Context - the right data and info at hand)

                    I feel for those that truly have an issue; but more often than not... Need to put a label and tick a box.. OH - I have an allergy - waves hands and is consoled by fellow Google self diagnosed sufferers.

                    A scientist I know well has major issues with wheat Her Mum and Sister have been fully tested and confirmed.. She has stated that even as a scientist; she doubts that she ticks all the boxes... Thus will not be tested / labelled and have people put out over perceptions. But she manages it and those that do not know, may never know. Those of us that are aware respect her approch and understand why on occasions she will bring her own or be one of teh first to step in with preparation etc.

                    When I drop over... I always take Wheat based products and state... Well all teh more for me ;D

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                    • #25
                      Re: Soy in coffee?

                      Originally posted by 4E727B6376170 link=1257370270/22#22 date=1274918203
                      Read somewhere the other day that something like 90% of so called allergy sufferers are self diagnosed and have never seen a medical practitioner
                      Are you saying Im wrong about my self diagnosed allergy to avocado?

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                      • #26
                        Re: Soy in coffee?

                        Originally posted by 0A362B303A3B2C39313A5E0 link=1257370270/24#24 date=1274934043
                        Originally posted by 4E727B6376170 link=1257370270/22#22 date=1274918203
                        Read somewhere the other day that something like 90% of so called allergy sufferers are self diagnosed and have never seen a medical practitioner
                        Are you saying Im wrong about my self diagnosed allergy to avocado?  
                        I dont think I said that.

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                        • #27
                          Re: Soy in coffee?

                          My observations on soy milk:

                          I am a Bonsoy fangirl all the way. From experience, at any new cafe, I always ask "do you use bonsoy" and its the only coffee I drink.

                          Reasons?
                          1. Its nutty, malty flavour goes well with most coffee blends - it interferes the least with the taste of the cofee
                          2. It is most forgiving of acidity in coffee
                          3. I find it the least sweet
                          4. Its fat content is not much lower than full cream milk (I think its 2% compared to milks 3%)
                          5. This might be a BS reason, but it holds up through trial and error: its trendy to use Bonsoy, so it often shows the cafe wants to appear serious about their coffee.

                          In limiting my coffee experience to Bonsoy, I find that I like my coffees with:
                          - with low-to-medium acidity
                          - chocolatey, nutty or malty flavours as these pair well with Bonsoys natural flavours
                          - less bitter/earthy notes. Milk coffees are extremely creamy and they round off a lot of the earthier flavours and you can need more punch for it not to be boring.

                          In general, I steer clear of red Vitasoy like the plague. If the coffee extraction isnt perfect (underextracted, slightly sour flavours), I find red Vitasoy to be the least forgiving. Red vitasoy is also the most volatile, and has a tendency to curdle if paired with a "bright" acidity coffee or overheated even slightly. Ive thrown away too many red Vitasoy coffees after a single sip to give it any more chances.

                          I have friends who are fans of Soy Milky and Vitasoy Barista. In the hands of a skilled barista, I will drink these coffees but again I find them less forgiving, showing up errors in extraction and steaming/frothing. I also find I detect an artificial sweetness (like the burnt plastic lid of takeaway tea) but I concede this is possibly a matter of personal taste.

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                          • #28
                            Re: Soy in coffee?

                            Heres a funny thing
                            Ive gone to having soy in flat whites, as my goodly wife is lactose intolerant. Tried a few brands, most of which were foul, but then stumbled across Aldi Light Soy (UHT) which is actually really nice, not too overpowering or thick, but with a nice nutty flavour that complements coffee well. Took some getting used to, but did it for love ;D
                            Anyway, had a brew last night when I was flying solo, so thought Id throw some full cream back in (even before Soy we were on light milk for years - but only had FC in the fridge) and found it almost unbearable! The mouthfeel and taste of the fat completely overpowered the coffee - might as well have dropped the shot into double cream!
                            Wont do that again in a hurry…

                            So - Aldi light soy it is!

                            Matt

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                            • #29
                              Re: Soy in coffee?

                              Hi All,

                              For most of the last 2 years I had been having Soy milk in about 2/3 of my coffees. I was basically trying to reduce my milk consumption (largely b/c having lots of milk makes sinus/hayfever issues a bit worse). However, most of the soy milks served in cafes make me puke (even Bonsoy but that could be that local baristas burn the soy milk). The cafe near my office uses one of the Aldi home brand soy milks (Inner Goodness or something like that), and I quite like it. At home I use the So Good Regular (the one you buy on the shelf rather than the one they sell from the fridge). I guess peoples taste buds are different.

                              Had been using a Saeco automatic until last month I bought a good HX machine (Diadema Regal + Compak Touch grinder) from Atilio at Cosmorex, so spent a few weeks concentrating on perfecting my milk frothing technique with real milk in different volumes, but have recently given been giving the soy a go (again So Good regular non-fridge version), and Im more than happy with the results . My soy-phobic other half accidently picked up my coffee rather than hers the other day and didnt notice the difference.
                              Mark

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