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  • blend52
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    Originally posted by simonko View Post
    I recall reading a blog belonging to the farm that creates Cleopatra's bath milk - they said they have a whole list of alternate names to call their milk should 'bath milk' be outlawed. One that I thought was particularly funny was 'tennis court line marking paint'.
    There was a Grand Designs Au recently, where the builder had painted the internal (rammed earth) walls with a mixture of raw milk and lime.
    It looked good too !

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  • gonzo89
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    I like your name suggestion

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  • gonzo89
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    Cleopatras is getting harder to find..not that I buy raw milk that often but it was by far the best I've tried.

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  • simonko
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    I recall reading a blog belonging to the farm that creates Cleopatra's bath milk - they said they have a whole list of alternate names to call their milk should 'bath milk' be outlawed. One that I thought was particularly funny was 'tennis court line marking paint'.

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  • gonzo89
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    Originally posted by Bosco_Lever View Post
    Typical govt officials looking for the easy way to cover their butts.
    It seems in Australia over regulation is necessary to protect the masses from themselves.

    Lots of kids who grew up on farms have consumed raw milk. Feeding it to a potentially sick infant seems strange.
    I believe there is a lot more to this story than has been revealed.

    I pity the poor hard working undervalued dairy farmer.
    Every tragic story you hear on the news is looking for someone to blame, never a rational and calm explanation, or a reminder that accidents and rare occurances do happen. They are always on the attack. The fear mongering is sickening and feeds the excessive regulation of everything.

    Any case of HUS requires a 10 day food history during the investigation. I can just imagine the moment raw milk was recorded, the hungry pack of media were thrown the bone they so desperately desired (& the government too since they found something easy to blame despite negative test results prior to sale).

    As you mentioned Bosco, badly handled meat can lead to the same results. It doesn't even need to be that extreme. Last year several people had to be quarantined for HUS after going to the Brisbane Exhibition. After working many years in a pharmacy I witnessed all sorts of illness after this yearly event. You wouldn't see me there if you paid me. No mortalities from this incident. In general, death is rare in these cases.

    Yes Bosco, surely more will be revealed and I sincerely hope it is not the hard working farmer who becomes the villain in what will no doubt be an ongoing battle against the industry.

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  • Bosco_Lever
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    Originally posted by gonzo89 View Post
    what if the milk wasn't handled properly after it was sold or in store? The tests for the harmful bacteria were negative on that batch.
    So true, yet no mention of this was made.
    Typical govt officials looking for the easy way to cover their butts.
    It seems in Australia over regulation is necessary to protect the masses from themselves.

    Lots of kids who grew up on farms have consumed raw milk. Feeding it to a potentially sick infant seems strange.
    I believe there is a lot more to this story than has been revealed.
    I hope the milk producers get to see a full report and are able to publish the results, clearing themselves and their product.

    People need to remember that raw chicken, incorrectly handled can also cause illness (as an example).

    The unfortunate aspect of this (aside from the obvious passing of the infant) is that it will halt the raw milk and raw cheese movement in its tracks.

    Unfortunately there are a lot of extremely stupid people out there, and they are extremely gullible and naive when it comes to food "fads" and the latest trendy diet.

    I pity the poor hard working undervalued dairy farmer.

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  • gonzo89
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    Originally posted by Dragunov21 View Post
    Presumably, there was a reasonably-suspected link, if the Victorian Government saw fit to issue a warning on the basis of the death. That said, it's kinda weird that there's no mention whatsoever of how the poor kid passed away, and they mention that the milk he drank tested negative for bacteria.
    There was mention of the child being sick before it consumed the milk. The results came back negative when the milk was tested before sale. Haemolytic uraemic sybdrome (HUS) can be contracted in various ways. HUS symptoms develop gradually & in many cases the symptoms don't appear anymore threatening than regular illnesses like gastroenteritis. That is what is risky about HUS in a child of this age.

    The fact that the poor child had already been very sick could well indicate HUS was already present. In saying that, it is an undisputable fact that HUS can be caused by unpasteurised milk, but It is convenient and easy to pin it all on the milk itself. Also, what if the milk wasn't handled properly after it was sold or in store? The tests for the harmful bacteria were negative on that batch.

    I consume raw milk and cheese occasionally, but I would not give it to a child knowing the rare but possible chance that this could occur.

    The risks are real, but not common. This is another case of a highly regulated perishable product coming under fire to be banned unreasonably due to a sad incident, yet without accepting that according to test results there was no negligence on the producers behalf.

    The Health proffessionals always want to decide what is in your interest. Banning the product in my opinion is absurd. Placing the product in a separate section would not stop those who want to consume it from doing so, but it at least allows producers and distributors the right to say they did not encourage consumption...the choice should be in the consumers hands. The risks are advertised on the labels, just like cigarettes (not as graffic of course but clearly)..if people want to consume it (like myself) then so be it.

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  • gonzo89
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    Originally posted by _moby_ View Post
    There is one legally produced raw milk cheese made in Australia by Bruny Island Cheese Company.
    It seems that there is a potential ban of this cheese currently under review which is a shame.. The wait begins

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  • Dragunov21
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    Presumably, there was a reasonably-suspected link, if the Victorian Government saw fit to issue a warning on the basis of the death. That said, it's kinda weird that there's no mention whatsoever of how the poor kid passed away, and they mention that the milk he drank tested negative for bacteria.

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  • _moby_
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    Originally posted by Bosco_Lever View Post
    In Europe there are numerous cheese products made from raw milk, and attribute their unique flavour to it. It is a shame that we cannot access such products in Australia. The same applies to our producers. World class facilities and artisan kraftsmen hampered by archaic and outdated philosophies designed for the "common good".
    There is one legally produced raw milk cheese made in Australia by Bruny Island Cheese Company.

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  • Yelta
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    This from ABC news Raw milk: 3yo child dies after drinking unpasteurised milk in Victoria - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation) the report does not make a direct connection and the child's death, however it does what the ABC seems to excel at nowadays connection by inference.

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  • chokkidog
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    Couldn't agree more Bosco.

    I went to an ag school in NSW that ran a small dairy.

    When I arrived there in 1971, cans of milk came straight from the dairy to the kitchen cool room.

    When I left a few years later, the milk had to trucked off for 'processing' and then trucked back to the school.

    Madness.

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  • Bosco_Lever
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    Originally posted by damir View Post
    I strongly suggest not using raw milk for human consumption. Both listeria and toxoplasmosis can be contracted by doing so (just like from raw eggs), in addition to bovine tuberculosis, brucellosis and salmonella. This is the reason raw milk can not be legally obtained in most regions of Australia.

    That said, I loved it when I was a kid, as mu grandma had two cows and was extremelly skilled at crafting all kinds of raw milk products.
    Raw milk is widely available as bath milk.

    Given the strict hygiene controls and technological advances in the past three decades, there should be no reason why raw milk is not widely available for human consumption. Most cases of milk contamination is by human error or plain stupidity. That said, the average consumer with little knowledge (or care factor) needs to be protected for their own good.

    In Europe there are numerous cheese products made from raw milk, and attribute their unique flavour to it. It is a shame that we cannot access such products in Australia. The same applies to our producers. World class facilities and artisan kraftsmen hampered by archaic and outdated philosophies designed for the "common good".

    All milk is tested before being accepted by any milk production facility. The same applies to raw milk, so yes, it is a safe product.

    The reason it is not "legally" available is because no one has the balls to do it. Any decision maker is terrified of the legal ramifications, as the legal profession is full of vultures looking for any cause to launch litigious action.

    I shall continue to support the bath milk industry and thumb my nose at the hypocritical decision makers.

    The next step is for a raw milk cheese to be made for the health industry. Not recommended for human consumption, just to apply to your skin. If it falls into your mouth and is accidentally digested, then the risk (and enjoyment) lies with the consumer, and not the retailer.

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  • damir
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    I strongly suggest not using raw milk for human consumption. Both listeria and toxoplasmosis can be contracted by doing so (just like from raw eggs), in addition to bovine tuberculosis, brucellosis and salmonella. This is the reason raw milk can not be legally obtained in most regions of Australia.

    That said, I loved it when I was a kid, as mu grandma had two cows and was extremelly skilled at crafting all kinds of raw milk products.

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  • JWILL
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    I have been having iced coffee all summer in Perth form a bialetti 6cup and cosmetic milk from a local supplier. Best thing ever(so far) fresh coffee from manna beans or 5 senses ground in antique European grinder.
    We get it in 20-25 liter batches, looking for a better grinder for a 12 or 15 cup stove top kettle

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