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  • #31
    Re: Quaha/Nemox/Lelit Steam Wand and Tip

    Originally posted by 5F4E5D52574F48594E3C0 link=1275289271/29#29 date=1282113561
    What do people think (preferably ones who know a little bit about plumbing)
    Try these guys, they should have the brass fittings you need.

    http://www.ifsaus.com.au/

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    • #32
      Re: Quaha/Nemox/Lelit Steam Wand and Tip

      Originally posted by 65787360170 link=1275289271/30#30 date=1282123531
      Try these guys, they should have the brass fittings you need.
      Cool link Rod. Thanks.
      Ill have to work out how to get the measurements without dismantling the machine.
      Ill keep tinkering.

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      • #33
        Re: Quaha/Nemox/Lelit Steam Wand and Tip



        I was just browsing O/S and the yanks have a new variant "pl51" which appears to have a froth-enhancerless wand that looks to be longer than the pl041 wand+enhancer assembly combined! It has a screw on acorn tip by the looks of it, so you may be able to double up and elektra tip it as well 8-)

        Im not sure if there is some way we can import a whole bunch of them from somewhere, but I would definitely be in if we could...

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        • #34
          Re: Quaha/Nemox/Lelit Steam Wand and Tip

          Hello! Let me refresh the topic.

          Ive just switched to Lelit PL041 machine from Gaggias and have problems with steaming.
          To get proper foam on Gaggias I needed to put  steam wand tip into the milk on the tilt  and make a whirl in  a jug. I cannot do the same with Lelits wand as it is always perpendicular to milk level and doesnt lean sideways.  I cant get milk spinning as steam streams  only downward.
          Ive found some video on Youtube where people get microfoam putting steam wand vertically into the milk:

          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cT6SKrEmLFA
          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lsMn5e2DkX4

          I have no idea how they do that. Ive tried buy failed.
          The only thing that is coming into my mind is to bend the wand a little bit to get a tilt.
          What could you advice please?  

          Thank you.

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          • #35
            Re: Quaha/Nemox/Lelit Steam Wand and Tip

            Welcome to Coffee Snobs.

            Where did you buy it? Can you not get help from the supplier?

            Youre used to the milk spinning; forget it.
            Think about "rolling".
            Instead of the milk spinning around the jug, imagine it tumbling over itself top to bottom.

            Those two videos showed one with the wand on the side of the jug and the other in the very middle.
            Both positions worked.

            If you get the tip of the wand just under the surface initially, youll introduce some air, after that the power of the steam has to tumble the milk for you.




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            • #36
              Re: Quaha/Nemox/Lelit Steam Wand and Tip

              Im only a noob but have mastered it fairly well on the Lelit (I think) but still not as good as a good Barista!.

              I think Thundergod has good advice, but the secret for me seems to be the first few seconds. You have to drop the jug quickly as the volume increases to keep the wand tip just under the surface all the time. Also, expel some steam before you start to get rid of any water in the wand and empty the boiler a bit so you dont run out of steam. This makes room for the steam to build up in the boiler. The distance to the side of the jug does not seem to matter.

              Emptying the boiler as I described was a bit of a breakthrough for me!

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              • #37
                Re: Quaha/Nemox/Lelit Steam Wand and Tip

                I get great textured milk on my Lelit, and agree the secret is in the first few seconds with the wand tip just under the surface as described by RodW.

                Have you tried putting a little bit less milk in the jug? I use a 600ml jug and generally get good results with milk level just under the point where the spout starts, as is generally recommended. (The only time I have trouble is if I overfill the jug.)

                Also I recently decided to texture a smaller amount of milk in the same jug and was quite surprised at the increased volume and incredible dense foam I got. This was despite the angle required due to the smallish steam wand on the Lelit. I often put a bit less milk in now and end up with a great latte as the milk volume has increased significantly . I think it just takes a bit of time to experiment and get used to the Lelit.

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                • #38
                  Re: Quaha/Nemox/Lelit Steam Wand and Tip

                  Thank you VERY much guys! It was kind of a revelation for me and  really helpful!

                  RodW, could you give me step by step manual about this "Also, expel some steam before you start..." please?

                  BTW, it seems that a steam wand on Lelits is hold just by little silicon washer inside the split nut, am I right ? Looks so flimsy...

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                  • #39
                    Re: Quaha/Nemox/Lelit Steam Wand and Tip

                    Originally posted by 524F4D504552200 link=1275289271/37#37 date=1292497625
                    Thank you VERY much guys! It was kind of a revelation for me and  really helpful!

                    RodW, could you give me step by step manual about this "Also, expel some steam before you start..." please?

                    BTW, it seems that a steam wand on Lelits  is hold just by little silicon washer inside the split nut, am I right ? Looks so flimsy...
                    Youl work it out after a month or so. I did!

                    Mine is an elextrolux which uses Lelit internals see
                    http://coffeesnobs.com.au/YaBB.pl?num=1224562803
                    So I cant say much about the attachment of the wand.

                    When I first started, I was running out of steam before the job was done This was because there was not a big enough void in the boiler for steam to accumulate in. Also, you dont want any water in the steam wand before you start steaming. So the answer to both is while you are waiting for the steam light to go out is to open the steam wand and wait untill it stops spluttering. Be fairly generous with this to drop the water level in the boiler a bit to ensure there is plenty of room for steam to build up.

                    I have a push button switch for steam and have to keep my finger on it all the time until the light goes out. Then I start the steaming off with two hands on the jug so I can control dropping it quickly and later once the milk level is constant, I hold the button in again in case it does run ot of steam. Becasue of this, I don t try and surf the temperatures like some do (eg, starting just before the light goes out so the boiler element is running constantly during steaming)

                    Originally posted by 70454E4E597F774149544553200 link=1275289271/36#36 date=1292490458
                    Have you tried putting a little bit less milk in the jug? I use a 600ml jug and generally get good results with milk level just under the point where the spout starts, as is generally recommended. (The only time I have trouble is if I overfill the jug.)

                    Also I recently decided to texture a smaller amount of milk in the same jug and was quite surprised at the increased volume and incredible dense foam I got. This was despite the  angle required due to the smallish steam wand on the Lelit.  I often put  a bit less milk in now and end up with a great latte as the milk volume has increased significantly . I think it just takes a bit of time to experiment and get used to the Lelit.
                    Im gunna try that because I fill to just over the start of the spout and often now I have this down pretty pat, I spill milk all over the floor beause it increases in volume so much in those first few seconds.

                    I might add, for the first month or so my rsults were pretty appalling and there as no way it would overflow!

                    BW, when I bought my unit, I did a Baristas Course with Forum Sponser Veneziano and they made me take my machine in for the course. Then I watched a lot of videos on Youtube....

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                    • #40
                      Re: Quaha/Nemox/Lelit Steam Wand and Tip

                      Same.I found heaps of you tube videos which were very helpful and some tips from a friend who did a barista course when she bought her machine, then lots of practice and experimenting. Suddenly it all clicks into place and youre away....

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                      • #41
                        Re: Quaha/Nemox/Lelit Steam Wand and Tip

                        Well, while im keep training I found that its quite easy to overheat the milk with this machine. There is not really much time to stretch the milk - if you dont do this within few seconds you will have boiled milk (maybe with foam). My Gaggia Baby Twin (ugh!) with thermo-block were producing less hotter and stronger steam.

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                        • #42
                          Re: Quaha/Nemox/Lelit Steam Wand and Tip

                          Originally posted by 263B39243126540 link=1275289271/40#40 date=1292625389
                          Well, while im keep training I found that its quite easy to overheat the milk with this machine. There is not  really much time to stretch the milk - if you dont do this within few seconds you will have boiled milk (maybe with foam). My Gaggia Baby Twin (ugh!) with thermo-block  were producing less hotter and stronger steam.  
                          Because I am a noob, I invested in a milk thermometer which I use all of the time. I figure now I could do without it but when I started to use it, I was stopping well before the temp was where it should be. The steamer changes sound close to 60 degrees I have found.


                          Originally posted by 04313A3A2D0B03353D203127540 link=1275289271/36#36 date=1292490458
                          I recently decided to texture a smaller amount of milk in the same jug and was quite surprised at the increased volume and incredible dense foam I got. This was despite the  angle required due to the smallish steam wand on the Lelit.  I often put  a bit less milk in now and end up with a great latte as the milk volume has increased significantly . I think it just takes a bit of time to experiment and get used to the Lelit.
                          I tried this today and it certainly is an improvement, if I can keep it up, I might have to stop saying I am a noob! I think this thread now has everything the budding Lelit owner needs to know!

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                          • #43
                            Re: Quaha/Nemox/Lelit Steam Wand and Tip

                            Originally posted by 44595241360 link=1275289271/41#41 date=1292662161
                            ... I invested in a milk thermometer which I use all of the time. I figure now I could do without it but when I started to use it, I was stopping well before the temp was where it should be. The steamer changes sound close to 60 degrees I have found.
                            as i remember from my "gaggia-life", I had to stretch milk just until it went gently warm (40 degree or so) and then boiled the milk  sinking the tip deeper into the milk up to 70 degree or so.

                            Thanks for helping me! i hope to master all this soon

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                            • #44
                              Re: Quaha/Nemox/Lelit Steam Wand and Tip

                              I agree that using a thermometer in the early days is quite helpful. I also found that I had been stopping too soon until I checked with a thermometer, and discovered I had a bit more steam time than I thought. I was taking it off too early because I was worried about overheating and ruining the milk, but it turned out that I actually had a bit more time to go. That little bit of extra steaming time did make a difference . Anyone having trouble with steaming might consider getting a thermometer to check this, if you dont already have one. They are not expensive (less than $20).

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                              • #45
                                Re: Quaha/Nemox/Lelit Steam Wand and Tip

                                Originally posted by 75686A776275070 link=1275289271/42#42 date=1292670008
                                as i remember from my "gaggia-life", I had to stretch milk just until it went gently warm (40 degree or so) and then boiled the milk  sinking the tip deeper into the milk up to 70 degree or so.

                                Thanks for helping me! i hope to master all this soon

                                I have seen the 40 degrees mentioned a few times but I dont think it is so relevant here (but this is the only machine I have used). The stretching happens so quickly, I find it is generally under 30 degrees.  I tend to just watch the milk and suck up any large bubbles and not worry about temp. I dont think you need to sink the wand deep into it but need to keep it just deep enough to suck up any large bubbles and not make any more big bubbles. How deep it is does not seem to make much difference.

                                Have a play with wand depth and let us know your thoughts.

                                Mishkys "less milk is better" tip certainly seems to be paying off. As I lower the milk quantity, the more foam I am getting. Last night with milk just touching the bottom of the spout, I threw out more milk after pouring two cups than I ever have. Before, I was emptying the jug into the cups. Next time, I will try just below the bottom of the spout.

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