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  • #16
    Re: Milking the price war is froth and trouble for coffee lovers

    This is becoming a bit of a bug bear for me personally. We get the Farmers Direct Milk delivered and since about a month ago its gone from being fine to being impossible to texture. I have confirmed its not me by buying A2 and Pura and getting the results I expect. I read an article in the age last week where the guy who runs Farmers Direct is accusing Coles and Woolies of diluting their milk with some waste product from the production of cheese and claiming that their milk has none of it in it. The only way I reckon they could substantiate that is if they had supplied coles and woolies milk and then tested the resultant product. Funnily enough a few weeks back I got Coles milk and found that it is behaving exactly the same way as the Farmers Direct milk.
    I am now trying to work out if I need to contact Farmers Direct about it as I am probably going to stop getting their milk delivered at this rate (though its fine for anything other than coffee of course).

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    • #17
      Re: Milking the price war is froth and trouble for coffee lovers

      Justin, theres also the differences between Harvey Fresh and South West Milk which so happens gets processed at the same Third Street address at Harvey.
      I hope i can only put it down to different dairies supplying the one co op and not processing tricks being used.
      I can taste subtle differences between those two.
      For the casual drinker they may not detect it.

      I support Harvey Fresh and their products as they purport to be WA owned and operated.
      But theres that niggling feeling at the back of my mind that they may be under pressure to do certain things due to market trends.
      Thatd be sad.

      I miss the old days when two glass bottles would turn up at the door early in the morning and you would see the cream at the surface.
      Tasted like milk.

      As far as i know, one small dairy over east still put their milk in old fashioned glass bottles.

      As for now, its Bannister Downs. They pride themselves on old fashioned principles and are trustworthy.
      I can afford it because we only drink 2 milk coffees as well two espressos a day.

      Gary at G

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      • #18
        Re: Milking the price war is froth and trouble for coffee lovers

        Originally posted by 3926243E27322524334B0 link=1299533787/11#11 date=1299653250
        so maybe I should try the A2.
        Got a litre of A2 low fat tonight and made a short cappucino. Best microfoam Ive ever made, and nearly got my first proper rosetta without really trying very hard. Tasted better than any milk Ive tasted

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        • #19
          Re: Milking the price war is froth and trouble for coffee lovers

          I use Aussie farmers direct milk and i am having the same problem as asymetc. After frothing milk it is like water with no creamy texture at all. I have used there milk for years and have been happy with the quality until the last delivery which happens to be the first delivery from there new factory in camperdown. I have emailed them and am waiting for a reply.

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          • #20
            Re: Milking the price war is froth and trouble for coffee lovers

            Being a natural product milk is likely to vary with the seasons as the pasture the cows eat changes.

            I must admit it amuses me that for years people were grizzling that there was little competition in supermarkets.

            Now Coles is adopting a stance of competing against Woolworths rather than cooperating to keep prices high people are grizzling.

            Does Grizzling seem to be a common theme??

            You can’t please all of the people all of the time

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            • #21
              Re: Milking the price war is froth and trouble for coffee lovers

              I find milk age affects it more than milk price, but thats just me. The milk with permeate in it froths and tastes okay (not as good as real milk, but as a base for your coffee the difference isnt huge).

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              • #22
                Re: Milking the price war is froth and trouble for coffee lovers

                Got Coles milk today due to budget restrictions.
                Steamed it and made my usual rosetta. Hang on, doesnt seem to push out as usual. Finished pouring, put that aside.
                Steamed another portion of milk to make sure i was doing things right for consistency.
                Again same thing happened. Instead of it fanning out for the first half of the rosetta, it just pooled out in a circle.
                Looked into the milk i just frothed and the appearance looks like watery, gelatinous mousse.
                Taste wise, theres a thicker texture than usual in the mouthfeel. Flavour is different too, though i cant put my finger on it.

                Being the way i am, i promptly drove 3 km to another shop for another bottle. Also bought a different brand for comparison.
                Got back, frothed both the replacement and the other brand. The difference is noticeable.

                Not sure if permeates were used in the Coles brand, but im smart enough now not to use Coles or Woolies milk, regardless of my budget restrictions.

                Gary at G

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                • #23
                  Re: Milking the price war is froth and trouble for coffee lovers

                  Might also be a local issue Gary.

                  Ive been using Coles and occasionally Woolies milk for a while and dont have such issues.

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                  • #24
                    Re: Milking the price war is froth and trouble for coffee lovers

                    Gary, Im having similar problems but Im finding the coles milk completely lacking sweetness. Texture wise it looks fine, but there is an apparent lack of sweetness. Would be interested if you have had similar observations.

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                    • #25
                      Re: Milking the price war is froth and trouble for coffee lovers

                      The Farmers Direct mill at work is labelled as Permeate free, havent got a machine at work so cant comment on steaming characteristics sorry

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                      • #26
                        Re: Milking the price war is froth and trouble for coffee lovers

                        Just read your post bjeck14 after coming back from my evening work shift, and promptly drank a straight glass of Coles milk. Sweetness to me seems ok fresh, though not as sweet as the Bannister Downs i use when im not on budgetery restrictions.

                        I only notice the problem when im texturing milk. Can only point it to the effects of heat on the chemistry.
                        Have to point out i never needed sugar using Bannister Downs, but certainly needed some using Coles. I think the heating process affects the taste which makes it less sweet, i guess.
                        But drunk fresh as they are without heating, theres less of a difference between them.

                        Gary at G

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                        • #27
                          Re: Milking the price war is froth and trouble for coffee lovers

                          Originally posted by 0B372A313B3A2D38303B5F0 link=1299533787/22#22 date=1300941454
                          Might also be a local issue Gary
                          TG, this is a situation that needs to be addressed.
                          We dont know if the milk from Woolies or Coles are trucked from over east as mentioned by myself previously on this topic, or produced locally, or trucked by the tankful from the east and bottled here etc etc.

                          The addresses to be contacted are Melbourne for Coles milk, and Sydney for Woolies milk.
                          In my opinion there should be labelling that tells where the milk originated from. My feeling is the milk is shipped from the east, otherwise if the milk is sourced locally, then they would label it as proudly produced in WA, of which Brownes and Bannister Downs can claim. Their contact addresses are local.

                          The dairy industry in the east especially NSW and Victoria is much bigger than here in WA, so the big guns there are making things difficult for farmers here who are doing it tough what with the drought and the price of fuel etc.by dominating the market share.

                          Gary at G

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                          • #28
                            Re: Milking the price war is froth and trouble for coffee lovers

                            Originally posted by 332924253721393333400 link=1299533787/26#26 date=1300989007
                            In my opinion there should be labelling that tells where the milk originated from.

                            There is, it says Australia :

                            labelling laws here arent even good enough to tell you what country your product comes form and you want State based stuff as well.

                            Lets take Peanut butter as an example. Ingredients are peanuts and salt. The peanut butter is labelled as "made in australia from local and imported ingredients" The salt may be the only local ingredient with the peanuts sourced form the cheapest supplier in China. Yet the product is sold as Australia peanut butter. Its a rort. >

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                            • #29
                              Re: Milking the price war is froth and trouble for coffee lovers

                              Originally posted by 2D2B3C372D2A3230590 link=1299533787/27#27 date=1301016904
                              "made in australia from local and imported ingredients"
                              I read that on a jar last week so checked another brand (you can guess) and it stated differently "all products Australian grown or made" (paraphrased).

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                              • #30
                                Re: Milking the price war is froth and trouble for coffee lovers

                                Thats a good example. That particular brand also donates part of the proceeds to a good cause, just like our fair crack donations from Beanbay.

                                Unfortunately, we dont go for the brand that displays good down to earth honesty. We go for whats flashy, colourful and Pricing. We have not read the fine print and the tricks that those conglomerates use to deceive us.
                                I dont mind if our milk comes from overseas, as long as its from Tasmania.

                                Gary at G

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