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  • #31
    Re: Companies cave to permeate pressure

    What people find hard to swallow is the misinformation, disinformation, and outright lies being told by those in the industry. A number of which we have seen, and exposed, in this thread.

    Sheesh! The gall of some people! Objecting to being lied to, expecting to be told the truth, and having their food accurately labeled!


    Java "Jeeze, whatever is this world coming too!" phile
    Toys! I must have new toys!!!

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    • #32
      Re: Companies cave to permeate pressure

      Originally posted by 604B5C4B5A4243464F2A0 link=1340622249/30#30 date=1340851360
      What people find hard to swallow is the misinformation, disinformation, and outright lies being told by those in the industry. A number of which we have seen, and exposed, in this thread.

      Sheesh! The gall of some people! Objecting to being lied to, expecting to be told the truth, and having their food accurately labeled!

      Java "Jeeze, whatever is this world coming too!" phile
      I am with you there Java,

      The milk industry is just one example.

      I dont have an issue with permeate in milk per se. There is probably a substantial proportion of the population who either dont know or dont care- or both. In all liklihood they purchase solely on price.

      What I do object to is slack labelling law which allows to companies which have been adding permeate to pull the wool over our eyes.

      Add as much as you like and then label accordingly. The product then sinks or swims. Plain and simple.

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      • #33
        Re: Companies cave to permeate pressure

        Originally posted by 1F3B3E393F333C520 link=1340622249/29#29 date=1340845483
        Well the gigs up, the dirty secret is out, permeate is being removed from drinking milk everywhere, resulting in 32%fat26%protien18%casein permeate-free lard blocks, taking over the milk market. now factories face an oversupply of the evil ingredient "permeate". In efforts to dispose of this ghastly by-product, companies are spewing large amounts of dihydrogen monoxide gas into the atmosphere, and secretly selling the remanding tasteless residue ( soo called "solids") to companies involved with biodiesel, mixed into many other products (like baby formula) and stockfood. Consumers find the processors comments and products hard to swallow......
        I do not want permeate or any other sh!te put into my milk. I want it natural, with as little processing as possible. So do many other people who care about what they eat. We buy homogenized whenever possible, and would buy it unpasteurised if the industry got their act together. I do not give a rats ass if milk has 4 or 4.432567% fat in it, I want it NATURAL. People are avoiding  processed food as much as possible.
        We should be looking to countries like France when it comes to food (and food labeling) and not to the USA.

        Originally posted by 06333E390D113D34343737520 link=1340622249/31#31 date=1340851975
        What I do object to is slack labelling law which allows to companies which have been adding permeate to pull the wool over our eyes.

        Add as much as you like and then label accordingly. The product then sinks or swims. Plain and simple.
        Well said! Agree 100%.

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        • #34
          Re: Companies cave to permeate pressure

          Ah I see how they can manage permeate-free milk! Leave the permeate in there so you dont need to put it back! Only problem is, they will now tell you less about the product,

          nutritional information:
          protien: somewhere between 3 and 4%
          casien: your guess is as good as mine
          Lactose: there is lactose in this product
          Fat: depends on the weather today
          Permeate:no extra permeate (though it is naturally full of it)
          product may or may not resemble this lable, may I suggest freezing some winter milk to mix with the summer milk when it comes around for better consistency

          Clear labelling at its finest

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          • #35
            Re: Companies cave to permeate pressure

            The word, troll comes to mind.

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            • #36
              Re: Companies cave to permeate pressure

              Originally posted by 0D292C2B2D212E400 link=1340622249/6#6 date=1340661771
              I am a standardization technician (process worker)
              I believe someone is scared of losing their job. No more product to standardise.

              Originally posted by 0D292C2B2D212E400 link=1340622249/33#33 date=1340904470
              Ah I see how they can manage permeate-free milk! Leave the permeate in there so you dont need to put it back! Only problem is, they will now tell you less about the product,

              nutritional information:
              protien: somewhere between 3 and 4%
              casien: your guess is as good as mine
              Lactose: there is lactose in this product
              Fat: depends on the weather today
              Permeate:no extra permeate (though it is naturally full of it)
              product may or may not resemble this lable, may I suggest freezing some winter milk to mix with the summer milk when it comes around for better consistency

              Clear labelling at its finest
              Labelling:
              Pure milk untouched as nature intended it.
              No added products of any sort.
              Nutritional information:
              An average due to seasonal variation.

              Has it sunk in that this is what we want, and not some standardised swill?

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              • #37
                Re: Companies cave to permeate pressure

                Originally posted by 2C2B3E313C5F0 link=1340622249/35#35 date=1340924541
                Has it sunk in that this is what we want, and not some standardised swill?

                Despite your insulting style of posting, I am not convinced this is "what we want" at all, I suspect most of us had no problem at all with our milk as it was at all, the fact that some of the permeate was added back into the process had nothing but a positive effect on the consistency of flavour and texture.

                Following a concerted beatup by ACA, that may or may not have been done in collusion with certain milk companies, the uninformed public have probably been conned into paying more for milk that is not as good a product as previously.

                It amazes me that when someone with specific and specialised industry knowledge (milkman) shares information with us, some then choose to try to assasinate his character and accept the information coming from gutter journos like ACA as being gospel!

                Personally I am pretty skeptical of this whole hippy move towards demanding more natural food, personally the benefits from the scientific approach to food production has produced enormous benefits and if you take the natural food movement to its extreme there would be no milk anyway because there is nothing natural about domesticating cattle and milking them. We would need to go back to simple hunter gatherer cultures to truly have natural food.

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                • #38
                  Re: Companies cave to permeate pressure

                  Originally posted by 7D7B766F777B631A0 link=1340622249/36#36 date=1340936223
                  Personally I am pretty skeptical of this whole hippy move towards demanding more natural food
                  Wow - quite a rant!

                  I think its pretty clear that we eat way too much highly processed food and the drift to more natural food is a good thing. Most people dont want to swing to any extreem - hippy or otherwise.

                  Ive never had a problem with permeate in milk though and do think its all a beatup by ACA and some milk companies as you say - but I dont see a problem in more natural milk. Now we will be getting it we might all see the benefits.

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                  • #39
                    Re: Companies cave to permeate pressure

                    Originally posted by 5D5B564F575B433A0 link=1340622249/36#36 date=1340936223
                    It amazes me that when someone with specific and specialised industry knowledge (milkman) shares information with us
                    Hello galumay,

                    A couple of weeks ago I went to a GP who prescribed a new medication, and when I asked how it would differ from a previous medication he said with a wry smile, "Oh, its very complicated." I replied, "Try me...Im not as stupid as I look."

                    Milkman reminds me of that GP, and only when he begins to post comments that inform in a respectful way, rather than with an approach of ridicule and contempt, will he get a better reception.

                    If there is a growing interest in obtaining information about the food we buy, I fail to see why some people might think that is a bad thing, or why a company might resist or conceal information.


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                    • #40
                      Re: Companies cave to permeate pressure

                      Wow Dennis, you must be reading a different thread to me!! It seems to me Milkman has gone to lengths to explain what actually happens and clarify the facts around permeate and the process of milk production - often in the face of ridicule and contempt.

                      Originally posted by 61404B4B4C56250 link=1340622249/38#38 date=1340952707
                      If there is a growing interest in obtaining information about the food we buy, I fail to see why some people might think that is a bad thing, or why a company might resist or conceal information.
                      That appears to be a strawman argument, I dont see anyone in this thread arguing that obtaining information is a bad thing.

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                      • #41
                        Re: Companies cave to permeate pressure

                        Originally posted by 20262B322A263E470 link=1340622249/39#39 date=1340953804
                        Wow Dennis, you must be reading a different thread to me!! It seems to me Milkman has gone to lengths to explain what actually happens and clarify the facts around permeate and the process of milk production
                        And hes done it in such a good way....

                        Originally posted by 0A2E2B2C2A2629470 link=1340622249/13#13 date=1340666682
                        Heres the process for dummies
                        Originally posted by 0A2E2B2C2A2629470 link=1340622249/15#15 date=1340670111
                        Idiots would be furious
                        Originally posted by 0A2E2B2C2A2629470 link=1340622249/17#17 date=1340677726
                        compared with the rest of the world due to our welfare government, and green dictators
                        Originally posted by 0A2E2B2C2A2629470 link=1340622249/22#22 date=1340781589
                        organic is a
                        Joke

                        Originally posted by 20262B322A263E470 link=1340622249/39#39 date=1340953804
                        Dennis wrote Today at 16:51:
                        If there is a growing interest in obtaining information about the food we buy, I fail to see why some people might think that is a bad thing, or why a company might resist or conceal information.


                        That appears to be a strawman argument, I dont see anyone in this thread arguing that obtaining information is a bad thing.
                        Originally posted by 0A2E2B2C2A2629470 link=1340622249/33#33 date=1340904470
                        product may or may not resemble this lable, may I suggest freezing some winter milk to mix with the summer milk when it comes around for better consistency

                        Clear labelling at its finest
                        Would be interested to know how you interpret this comment.

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                        • #42
                          Re: Companies cave to permeate pressure

                          Dennis, nicely taken out of context, how about re-posting all the informative info, with the responses of ridicule and contempt from you and other members!?

                          Originally posted by 00212A2A2D37440 link=1340622249/40#40 date=1340954912
                          Would be interested to know how you interpret this comment.
                          I dont need to interpret it, he is actually reiterating the point that you cant have clear labelling (and hence accurate information) about the contents if there is no standardisation.

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                          • #43
                            Re: Companies cave to permeate pressure

                            Not taken out of context - just highlighting what I found objectionable.

                            Originally posted by 75737E677F736B120 link=1340622249/41#41 date=1340955602
                            I dont need to interpret it,
                            And then you did:

                            Originally posted by 75737E677F736B120 link=1340622249/41#41 date=1340955602
                            he is actually reiterating the point that you cant have clear labelling (and hence accurate information) about the contents if there is no standardisation.
                            We obviously disagree.

                            So far, youve accused me of making straw man arguments, taking things out of context, and replying with ridicule and contempt. Is there anything else youd like to ad?

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                            • #44
                              Re: Companies cave to permeate pressure

                              No matey, i assure you, there is no Threat to my job, drinking milk is a very small Percentage of our market (less than 5%) so no hidden agendas here, i just feel insulted by this type of misleading unwarranted negativity. Just as I was when a soo called company insider started jumping up and down claiming "farmers getting 35cents per litre, and processors were getting $2.40"(because that was the price of drinking milk, in his local milkbar) and fooled allot of people that think milk from cows only goes to the stuff we drink 

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                              • #45
                                Re: Companies cave to permeate pressure

                                Originally posted by 65636E776F637B020 link=1340622249/36#36 date=1340936223
                                Following a concerted beatup by ACA, that may or may not have been done in collusion with certain milk companies

                                Why would some milk companies want to expose a practice that is saving them all money?

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