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  • #31
    Journeyman - It's easy to believe you have all the answers when you are asking the wrong question.

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    • #32
      Originally posted by Journeyman View Post
      Palliative care is not a medical model, it is a profit model. 'nuff said.
      I have not the faintest idea what you're on about, not sure you do either.

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      • #33
        Originally posted by Journeyman View Post
        I'd love to get some real milk from a farm and try it with my coffee - I wonder how well it would texture? Do we have anyone on site who was a professional barista long enough ago to recall when milk was in bottles and had a couple of inches of cream floating on top until you shook it up?
        I'm enjoying this topic, but assume most people have given up on it. In case anyone is interested...
        I've tried making coffee a few times from milk sourced straight from a nearby dairy and struggled to get any decent microfoam. I'm no latte art expert but can get reasonable foam from commercial milk but really struggled with this milk. Couldn't get any body through stretching whatsoever. It was the morning milking milk so in theory higher in protein than evening milk. Better for cheese, but in my experience not coffee. Also tasted funny as a coffee.
        Tasted great by itself and I prefer drinking raw milk by the glass than commercial, but for coffee commercial everytime. I tried a few batches weeks apart and then gave up. Not a rigorous scientific trial! Google has lots of hits for raw milk makes coffee taste bad. Ymmv as also lots of hits will be in a similar vein to our chiro versus big pharma discussion.

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        • #34
          It's funny how often such conversations end up with those who follow the orthodox line talking about the person making the comments instead of the comments. Makes you wonder what it is about those who believe what they're told by Authority that leaves them incapable of having a civilised conversation. *shrugs*

          @Dragunov - speaking as one who has depression and has dealt/lived/associated with many other people who have either experienced it or have it as a chronic condition, the drugs are no kind of a solution. Repressing symptoms doesn't help and if you take a look at that link I gave you will see what kind of effects such treatment has. Scroll to the bottom of the list.

          @MrJack - I wasn't aware I was asking a question - I was simply giving my view on an association I noticed through living my life. But even so you aren't correct. Asking wrong questions doesn't lead one to believe they have all the answers. That comes from believing the 'gospel according to Consensus and Authority' and so failing to ask any questions at all.

          And some of our best progress has come from somebody asking the wrong question.

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          • #35
            I was trying to imply that if you don't identity and then scrutinise your assumptions it's easy to draw conclusions which appear valid but which may not be.

            To propose that the increase in lactose intolerance is result of pasteurisation of milk, would first require evidence that it had actually increased. I would also ask how those who are not lactose intolerant seem to manage, if pasteurisation destroys something necessary for it to be processed.
            Last edited by MrJack; 24 October 2013, 03:21 AM.

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            • #36
              Now that we have all met (been subjected to) the founding fathers of MilkSnobs can we please move on and get back to being pleasant Coffee Snobbers before this all becomes too sour and rancid (pun intended) for the community at large?

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              • #37
                Originally posted by Vinitasse View Post
                Now that we have all met (been subjected to) the founding fathers of MilkSnobs can we please move on and get back to being pleasant Coffee Snobbers before this all becomes too sour and rancid (pun intended) for the community at large?
                cant disagree with that. =)

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by Journeyman View Post
                  @Dragunov - speaking as one who has depression and has dealt/lived/associated with many other people who have either experienced it or have it as a chronic condition, the drugs are no kind of a solution. Repressing symptoms doesn't help and if you take a look at that link I gave you will see what kind of effects such treatment has. Scroll to the bottom of the list.
                  I did check out your link. You're missing the point. It lists the side-effects that may be experienced. I'm not discounting that SSRIs weren't beneficial for you or your friends/family. The same goes for some of mine. That does not change the fact that for others, they are a very useful tool for treating something that they have found impossible to treat through other means.

                  With the pharma industry the way it is, there is no doubt that overprescribing goes on (especially in the US). That speaks towards problems with the industry, not SSRIs as a whole. You're taking an absolutist position that is not supported by the experiences of those who have found SSRIs beneficial.

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                  • #39
                    Back on topic, I use powdered milk in my espresso, no one at home drinks milk so the easiest way for me is to buy it in this unique form. Works fine for me and if I don't tell the guests they can't pick it. Does that make me a milk coffee snob?

                    Please all, a reminder of forum good manners - it is acceptable to engage the topic aggressively, but NOT to attack the debater. Personal insults, put downs and criticisms are unwelcome on this forum and are a violation of the forum TOS. This is a forum for us all to express our opinions, to debate these opinions and enjoy the fun side of coffee making.

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                    • #40
                      Have I missed the point?
                      i thought this was a COFFEE forum....

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by Dr_Dave View Post
                        Have I missed the point?
                        i thought this was a COFFEE forum....
                        Well, to be fair, this is in a sub-forum called 'Milk, Froth and Bubbles.....'. So a polite discussion of issues relating to the milk that many people consume with their coffee is hardly out of place.

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                        • #42
                          @Smokey - I also use powdered milk for my espresso (and anything else requiring it) and find it much improved in flavour over the plastic milk. Nobody has picked up on it except to comment how nice my coffees, hot chocs and Chai lattés are. It makes very good foam and doesn't have the after taste of normal milk. I use Aldi's (Farmdale I think) or the Coles brand full cream. From the packets I'm pretty sure they come from the same maker. (Aldi's has a lot of products that are exactly the same as in Coles/Woolies but with different names)

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by smokey View Post
                            I use powdered milk in my espresso, no one at home drinks milk so the easiest way for me is to buy it in this unique form. Works fine for me and if I don't tell the guests they can't pick it. Does that make me a milk coffee snob?
                            Morning Smokey,

                            Probably doesn't make you a milk coffee snob, what it more than likely indicates is that you have very polite guests.

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                            • #44
                              Powdered milk... Well I never gave that a moments thought?
                              Over 30 years ago I was with my wife, then girlfriend, in Penang and after two weeks solid of well you know what young lovers get up to... And only eating food cart food (which is outstanding if you can stomach it).... when we came up for air... Well I was back in KL and I just wanted to eat something 'homely' and we saw a KFC shop and I ordered a 'thick shake'.... Can you see what's coming; I didn't... I took a huge gulp... Only to discover that in the land of cows being 'gods'...
                              One makes milk with powder and Thick shakes with much, much... Much more powder...

                              I haven't touched the horrid stuff since...

                              And that includes the six odd years I mixed 'formula' for our babies, not one drop ever touched my lips.....

                              Perhaps, and I stress *perhaps* they have improved the formula...

                              In the interests of having a 'Flat White' whilst camping, I will put myself forward as a guinea pig, and test this new theory.... Aldi Full Cream... Righto, here we go...
                              Bottoms up!

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                              • #45
                                *grins* Are you sure the Thai stuff was cows milk? I tried a KFC in Cairo and got something only vaguely like chicken. It wasn't bad, just not at all what I expected.

                                Good luck with the trial - 1 std cup per litre is normal; I use about 2 cups for 1.5L because I like the extra creamy taste.

                                Oh... and mix it in cold water - tends to go lumpy in hot. The missus thought hot water would make it mix better and she could pour it straight on her oats. Is not so good... (pun intended )

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