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  • #46
    I'm personally surprised that evil geniuses at Nestle were allowed to encourage us to 'Keep a Cow in the Cupboard' for so long.

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    • #47
      My mistake,
      I wasn't aware that a discussion on Depression, anti-depressants, chiropractors
      etc made it into 'Milk, Froth and Bubbles.....'.

      Well, to be fair, this is in a sub-forum called 'Milk, Froth and Bubbles.....'. So a polite discussion of issues relating to the milk that many people consume with their coffee is hardly out of place.

      Depression is far better treated with cleaning up diet and a better lifestyle. We breathe, eat and drink noxious chemicals continuously. As for no pressure to prescribe drugs, I've seen the software Doctors use - every page has adverts targetting the things they are looking at. Palliative care is not a medical model, it is a profit model. 'nuff said....
      The Health industry might not be a good one to use as a comparison of 'evidence based' methodology and provision. There are many, many drugs and practices that are done for profit margins rather than results and it ain't getting any better. SSRI's are one entire class of drugs being commonly prescribed in spite of the evidence the side effects and social results are much worse than the reasons they are prescribed. For those interested in scaring yourself, check out Index to SSRI Stories
      etc etc
      Are we able to move on to Coffee related things yet?

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      • #48
        We already did...

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        • #49
          Originally posted by Dr_Dave View Post
          My mistake,
          I wasn't aware that a discussion on Depression, anti-depressants, chiropractors
          etc made it into 'Milk, Froth and Bubbles.....'.

          Well, to be fair, this is in a sub-forum called 'Milk, Froth and Bubbles.....'. So a polite discussion of issues relating to the milk that many people consume with their coffee is hardly out of place.

          Depression is far better treated with cleaning up diet and a better lifestyle. We breathe, eat and drink noxious chemicals continuously. As for no pressure to prescribe drugs, I've seen the software Doctors use - every page has adverts targetting the things they are looking at. Palliative care is not a medical model, it is a profit model. 'nuff said....
          The Health industry might not be a good one to use as a comparison of 'evidence based' methodology and provision. There are many, many drugs and practices that are done for profit margins rather than results and it ain't getting any better. SSRI's are one entire class of drugs being commonly prescribed in spite of the evidence the side effects and social results are much worse than the reasons they are prescribed. For those interested in scaring yourself, check out Index to SSRI Stories
          etc etc
          Are we able to move on to Coffee related things yet?
          Well, you made your post without reference to any particular other post (or the general drift of some posts), and as it turned out, immediately subsequent to a post that was spot on topic....i.e. about the use of powdered milk in coffee. And the subsequent discussion has stayed on that thread. So when you follow an on-topic post about milk in coffee with a request to talk about coffee.........

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          • #50
            Originally posted by Ol_Grumpy View Post
            ... Well I was back in KL and I just wanted to eat something 'homely' and we saw a KFC shop and I ordered a 'thick shake'.... Can you see what's coming; I didn't... I took a huge gulp... Only to discover that in the land of cows being 'gods'..."
            Last time I checked, "the land of cows being 'gods' " was in fact India, more specifically the predominately Hindu parts of India and that Malaysia was a vastly Muslim nation, with a smattering of Christian and Buddhist Chinese sprinkled around KL and the larger regional centres. None of these religions proscribes the drinking of cows milk and "milk tea" happens to be one of the most common beverages in the country (albeit usually made with condensed milk) and fresh milk can be readily found at both convenience stores and supermarkets. I'm not saying that your milkshake experience in KL wasn't a bad one though... but god-like cows had nothing to do with it.

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            • #51
              Hm... that's weird - not sure where I got 'Thai' from... I know where Penang is... My excuse is it was just before my current coffee - either running low on caffeine or perhaps lactose withdrawal symptoms?

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              • #52
                Originally posted by Dr_Dave View Post
                Have I missed the point?
                i thought this was a COFFEE forum....
                Your presumption that only coffee related things can be discussed on this site is incorrect as a quick glance at the homepage quickly shows:

                Off Topic

                Nothing to do with coffee except it might be something that you would discuss over your favourite brew.

                Java "And now back to discussing the topic of this thread" phile
                Toys! I must have new toys!!!

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                • #53
                  Originally posted by Vinitasse View Post
                  Last time I checked, "the land of cows being 'gods' " was in fact India, more specifically the predominately Hindu parts of India and that Malaysia was a vastly Muslim nation, with a smattering of Christian and Buddhist Chinese sprinkled around KL and the larger regional centres. None of these religions proscribes the drinking of cows milk and "milk tea" happens to be one of the most common beverages in the country (albeit usually made with condensed milk) and fresh milk can be readily found at both convenience stores and supermarkets. I'm not saying that your milkshake experience in KL wasn't a bad one though... but god-like cows had nothing to do with it.
                  Well, you're most likely spot on, but as they say, why let facts get in the way of a good yarn....

                  It was a while ago and what I do remember is that regardless of the apparent total lack of road rules or courtesy, cows have complete and udder right of way. We were constantly late everywhere we went and more often than not the cause of a long traffic standstill was revealed to be a recalcitrant cow. People either could not or would not make any effort to move on the beast. If it wanted to stop, everyone was obliged to wait until good time, when it decided to move on again. I don't think they 'worship' the cow, as such, but if my memory serves me correctly, it is against their religious beliefs to consume beef. Again, I don't know if it's a climatic issue, or consumption issue, or storage, but on that day in KL, you could plaster your walls with the glop they put in my thick-shake. That wasn't the worst of it either...
                  Apparently I committed a cardinal sin when I picked up my chicken with two hands....

                  For those unfamiliar with the culture, one only ever eats with one hand- always the same hand.... Why? Because the other hand is exclusively used to wipe your <snip>

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                  • #54
                    Originally posted by Ol_Grumpy View Post
                    I don't think they 'worship' the cow, as such, but if my memory serves me correctly, it is against their religious beliefs to consume beef.
                    Which brings into question what is in Rendang beef...
                    Originally posted by Ol_Grumpy View Post
                    Again, I don't know if it's a climatic issue, or consumption issue, or storage, but on that day in KL, you could plaster your walls with the glop they put in my thick-shake. That wasn't the worst of it either...
                    Apparently I committed a cardinal sin when I picked up my chicken with two hands....

                    For those unfamiliar with the culture, one only ever eats with one hand- always the same hand.... Why? Because the other hand is exclusively used to wipe your <snip>
                    Well, first, the chicken is meant to be dead and COOKED... *grins*

                    And the one hand thing is common in places where they do not have ready access to toilet paper. Which makes the 'cut off the hand of a thief' in Muslim countries a particularly fatal punishment - they always cit off the right hand first, which means you can still 'wipe' for the entire 3 weeks you can live without eating... *gruesome expression*

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                    • #55
                      Originally posted by Yelta View Post
                      Morning Smokey,

                      Probably doesn't make you a milk coffee snob, what it more than likely indicates is that you have very polite guests.
                      Morning Yelta, lol, I never thought of that, but now that you said it, maybe, just maybe they were too polite to say anything

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                      • #56
                        Well, since powdered milk is not the best to steam, I finally went out and bought some long life full cream milk, and did my very first steam... apart from milk everywhere on the bench, Miss Silvia and me, it went OK.

                        Gotta say, Andy's fresh roasted beans make such a difference to everything about coffee, I never thought I could pour crema like I see on Youtube, but I did it! And silvia does steam so darn well... note to self, practice steaming a bit more so wifey doesn't laugh so much...

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                        • #57
                          Originally posted by smokey View Post
                          Well, since powdered milk is not the best to steam, I finally went out and bought some long life full cream milk, and did my very first steam... apart from milk everywhere on the bench, Miss Silvia and me, it went OK.

                          Gotta say, Andy's fresh roasted beans make such a difference to everything about coffee, I never thought I could pour crema like I see on Youtube, but I did it! And silvia does steam so darn well... note to self, practice steaming a bit more so wifey doesn't laugh so much...
                          Why long life Smokey? try some low fat milk, better again. As with most things, fresh is certainly best.

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                          • #58
                            Originally posted by Journeyman View Post
                            Good Chiro work is based solidly in physics.
                            LOL Physics, the most loosely defined of sciences

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                            • #59
                              Well this thread has strayed away from the question....

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                              • #60
                                Originally posted by Yelta View Post
                                Why long life Smokey? try some low fat milk, better again. As with most things, fresh is certainly best.
                                Yelta, I stopped drinking milk 30 odd years ago and it made a huge difference to my health, but I love it! So when I have my cappuccino it has to be full cream. I tried that other awful stuff and choked on it, had to throw my cappuccino out. And since my wife has low fat long-life in her tea, and I have full-cream powdered for my coffee, anything fresh just goes off in the fridge. I thought that full cream long-life was a good option, it tasted nice too What to do long term, hmmm....

                                And I have to seriously practice my steaming.

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