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    I have been using my Faema Family the past few days that I rebuilt and it has a three hole steam tip. The only other machine I can think of having the three hole tip as standard is the Breville dual boiler.

    I find that it is very easy to control the milk and always end up with great microfoam, more so than with two hole or even single hole tips. The holes are very small but as there are three, the steam power is still good.

    Are there many other machines with three hole tips from the factory? I would recommend an upgrade to a three hole tip for my customers over a two or four hole I think based on my experiences.

  • #2
    Pavoni. Many opt for a single hole aftermarket! I was going to, then I just worked out how to use it properly.

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    • #3
      I have found that if the holes are too large in diameter then the steaming happens very quickly without much room for error, especially on small quantities.

      I had used a 4 hole tip with 1mm holes and it was still quick and very controllable.

      I have used a twin hole with success (Bezzera - didn't measure the hole size) but on the Alex Duetto the twin hole I find a bit tricky, the holes are 1.5mm dia.

      I have used the breville dual boiler and it's a breeze to get great microfoam but I find it a little slow. Haven't measured the holes but they appear quite small.

      Cheers

      Cheers

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      • #4
        As you have found, its all dependent on the size of the holes and therefore the volume of steam released per steam capacity of the individual machine/model. Also the angle of the released steam. But in the end....the size of the holes VS capacity of machine I believe.

        After that it probably means nothing...(which is "better", 4,3,2 or 1 hole VS size of holes VS the angles of the steam release VS the capacity of the machine VS the size of the jug ie volume of milk being textured VS anyone's particular technique.....that's just a bunch of confusion in terms of working out if one thing is better than another

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        • #5
          I might grab some blank tips from Coffee Parts and drill out some different 3 hole designs in them to see how they perform on larger machines and thermoblock machines.

          I do notice that the three holes are very small, more like needle sized holes really. Thus, the steaming takes longer but like you said, it's a match for the power of the machine.
          The Pavoni, Faema and Breville all operate on the same steaming principle, using a small boiler so they're not all that powerful.

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          • #6
            I have just gone from a Sunbeam EM7000 that has a one hole steam tip to a commercial two head machine that has 3 hole tips.
            I have yet to learn how to make good froth with the big machine. It seems that the steam is way too much, particularly if I want to make only one or two cups. Yes, I can regulate the flow of steam, still I was so used to the little thing that this is like driving a V8 after a pushbike.
            Any tips as to how to use it?

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            • #7
              I found that the three hole tips were suitable for small to medium power machines only. A large commercial machine which usually has a 4 hole, sometimes more, steam tip for fast steaming is impractical for home use, particularly if you are inexperienced with commercial machines.
              The three hole tip on a commercial machine will still be emitting too much steam I would think.

              I advise swapping the tip for a two hole tip, available from Coffee Parts. This will limit the steam output capacity and make it much easier to control.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by noidle22 View Post
                I found that the three hole tips were suitable for small to medium power machines only. A large commercial machine which usually has a 4 hole, sometimes more, steam tip for fast steaming is impractical for home use, particularly if you are inexperienced with commercial machines.The three hole tip on a commercial machine will still be emitting too much steam I would think.I advise swapping the tip for a two hole tip, available from Coffee Parts. This will limit the steam output capacity and make it much easier to control.
                Yep, it has 4 holes. Funny how since I started to ask questions on this forum in relation to buying a commercial machine for my holiday place, all I got was naysayers discouragement.
                Every single question was met with one form or another of this being the wrong choice.Well ... I bought a commercial machine second hand,shipped it interstate, got it serviced sitting on a table on my back veranda, hooked up to my garden hose. Paid for a new pump and for a second grade service by a second grade technician, got no answers to the most basic question here.
                Installed it in my weekender and very proud of it, since it happened to be as easy as installing a dishwasher despite the naaaa all around here. Now it is working on its first few coffees and I asked how to lift the water level ....
                Yes, you got it, no answer in 5 days. Never mind, figured out by myself. Big whoop ... Loosen one screw and pull up a sensor and tighten the screw back...
                And now I ask how to froth the milk with this steam wand whit 3 holes that turned out to be 4 ... Naaaaaa I can't do it!
                No way can this ignorant petulant greenhorn be able to make a decent froth with a commercial machine !!! Naaaa go back to a Target machine for the next 10 years, may be you learn and then come back and ask again.
                Yes I bet it is so hard that I'll learn in the next day or two.
                Sad really.

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                • #9
                  Greenhorn has no tolerance for answers he does not want to hear.

                  Time for the ignore button to be implemented.

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                  • #10
                    Not sure what your problem is, sorry that people didn't reply to your questions in a timely manner I guess? I struggle to take seriously whiny rants on internet forums.

                    I have offered you the advice that if you swap to a 2 hole steam tip, you will have an easier time steaming the milk and get consistently good results.
                    If you practice enough with the 4 hole tip, I'm sure you will get good results too.

                    Change to a 2 hole tip or keep at it with the 4 hole tip, I don't really care.

                    Edit: I'll give you some actual advice with the 4 hole tip as I realise I have neglected to do so.
                    Don't bother with trying to make a whirlpool, there's too much power. Keep the tip submerged at all time and focus on keeping the milk moving in a consistent fashion, hard to describe. The sheer volume of steam entering the milk will take care of the microfoam usually.
                    Also, I'm not a barista nor have extensive experience with commercial machines. I've used enough of them to get a basic idea though.
                    Maybe a barista will chime in with some other tips.
                    Last edited by noidle22; 26 September 2015, 10:12 PM. Reason: info

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                    • #11
                      I'd say you're steaming pretty well already.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by noidle22 View Post

                        Edit: I'll give you some actual advice with the 4 hole tip as I realise I have neglected to do so.
                        Don't bother with trying to make a whirlpool, there's too much power. Keep the tip submerged at all time and focus on keeping the milk moving in a consistent fashion, hard to describe. The sheer volume of steam entering the milk will take care of the microfoam usually.
                        Also, I'm not a barista nor have extensive experience with commercial machines. I've used enough of them to get a basic idea though.
                        Maybe a barista will chime in with some other tips.
                        That wasn't too hard...simple thank you.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by GreenBeanGenii View Post
                          Greenhorn has no tolerance for answers he does not want to hear.

                          Time for the ignore button to be implemented.
                          I say that for someone on the low two digit scale you are catching up to the snob spirit rather quick. The ignore button is default here. Tolerance for answers?what does that even mean? What answers? The one I got for complaining about attitude?
                          Last edited by Marc1; 27 September 2015, 12:05 PM.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Marc1 View Post
                            I say that for someone on the Lowe two digit scale you are catching up to the snob spirit rather quick. The ignore button is default here. Tolerance for answers?what does that even mean? What answers? The one I got for complaining about attitude?
                            "Joined 2007" He's clearly been around for long enough, reading plenty of posts from new members (like myself I might add) making fools of ourselves.

                            Noidle22 really did offer you a suggestion. You wanted to "regulate the flow of steam", and his suggestion was to regulate with a 2 hole steam tip... or to practice. No need to take offence at that. I'd prefer soak in all the suggestions around here, rather than turning my nose up at them.

                            In my steaming troubles, I went and read a few other threads that had plenty enough information for me not to comment on another one. I'm getting better, not there yet, but have been enjoying myself.

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                            • #15
                              My experience is that there are very few poorly designed tips: 2,3 or 4 hole. There are however plenty of examples poor technique!

                              Agreed that smaller holes often well suited to those on a more powerful machine...

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