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  • #16
    Originally posted by Marc1 View Post
    Yep, it has 4 holes. Funny how since I started to ask questions on this forum in relation to buying a commercial machine for my holiday place, all I got was naysayers discouragement.
    Every single question was met with one form or another of this being the wrong choice.Well ... I bought a commercial machine second hand,shipped it interstate, got it serviced sitting on a table on my back veranda, hooked up to my garden hose. Paid for a new pump and for a second grade service by a second grade technician, got no answers to the most basic question here.
    Installed it in my weekender and very proud of it, since it happened to be as easy as installing a dishwasher despite the naaaa all around here. Now it is working on its first few coffees and I asked how to lift the water level ....
    Yes, you got it, no answer in 5 days. Never mind, figured out by myself. Big whoop ... Loosen one screw and pull up a sensor and tighten the screw back...
    And now I ask how to froth the milk with this steam wand whit 3 holes that turned out to be 4 ... Naaaaaa I can't do it!
    No way can this ignorant petulant greenhorn be able to make a decent froth with a commercial machine !!! Naaaa go back to a Target machine for the next 10 years, may be you learn and then come back and ask again.
    Yes I bet it is so hard that I'll learn in the next day or two.
    Sad really.
    Lol! Hey - you forgot to ask me: I'd be pleased to help you out. I'm a yes man. You got this.

    If you don't like that 3 hole (I really like the 3 hole tip - use one now and then on an Expobar Multiboiler) take off the tip and jam a toothpick in one hole and try it as a two hole. If you really like it send a brad into it and clip it off at the surface. If water starts spitting out of the steam wand lower your water level probe (but be careful- it's as tricky as maintaining equilibrium in a fission reactor with a control rod, lol!)

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    • #17
      Originally posted by sprezzatura View Post
      Lol! Hey - you forgot to ask me: I'd be pleased to help you out. I'm a yes man. You got this.

      If you don't like that 3 hole (I really like the 3 hole tip - use one now and then on an Expobar Multiboiler) take off the tip and jam a toothpick in one hole and try it as a two hole. If you really like it send a brad into it and clip it off at the surface. If water starts spitting out of the steam wand lower your water level probe (but be careful- it's as tricky as maintaining equilibrium in a fission reactor with a control rod, lol!)
      Ha ha, sure ... there are probably two or three like you around that did not google the word snob to see what it means.

      The tips are actually 4 holes.
      I had a few more goes this weekend and the milk turned out average, probably a combination of using a small amount of milk ... just enough for two cups and the fact that we had only skim milk (hate that stuff, only hate almond milk even more)
      May be I'll buy a few different tips from coffee parts to see the difference it makes.
      The Corimali machine and the Rossi Grinder work like a charm.

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      • #18
        Well ... we are concerned with people doing the 240V shuffle. Most DIYers know that caveat though.

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        • #19
          Hey, use full cream milk. Much more better. Skim milk is like trying to texture rice milk. Challenging.

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          • #20
            Try the three hole, cold pitcher and fat milk.

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            • #21
              Now you lost me ... the 240V shuffle? ... cold pitcher?
              i know full cream is easier to froth. Yet I have textured 2% fat milk with no problems on my one hole little Sunbeam.
              Is there a difference on the 4 holes when doing a full jar as compared to say half or less? waht about regulating the flow of steam down?

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              • #22
                240V shuffle: accidentally touching exposed electrical connections or heating element terminals whilst poking around looking for leaks or adjusting something with the machine live.

                Cold pitcher: place your milk steaming pitcher in the freezer. Then, when you are ready to steam milk , take it out. This gives you a little more time to texture milk. Keep your milk in the fridge until right before use too.

                It's really a matter of time: time to texture. I have one hole on my Rancilio which gives me more time to texture glossy micro foam.

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                • #23
                  Some machines have specific-designed tips that texture microfoam fast (La Marzocco foam blade for instance). The four hole like your Cimbali (Carimali?) is designed to texture a larger volume pitcher quick. Steam valves and how they're designed play a part too. For example, the Expobar controls steam output really well. So does La Marzocco. A Fiorenzato flipper valve doesn't (crap).

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                  • #24
                    Regulate steam output: try placing the tip on the side of the pitcher just below surface and open the valve to 30% power and get the sipping/swirling action started then lower the tip and open the valve to 50% 75% keeping the swirl going until its heated to where you like it or it just deepens in pitch - close valve, place pitcher on counter, purge wand, wipe wand clean, pick up pitcher, tap on counter, give it a swirl and pour onto your espresso.

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                    • #25
                      Thank you mate, that was good useful advice I'll take on board. I was using way too much steam to begin with.

                      240V ... not to worry. I was an electrician a long time ago

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                      • #26
                        There is an excellent thread on here with good tips on steaming.

                        http://coffeesnobs.com.au/showthread.php?t=26896

                        Also you can practice technique using water with one drop of detergent to save wasting milk.

                        Cheers

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                        • #27
                          Hi there, I am new to the forum and just restoring a rather beat up Faema Family. The steam wand is missing but I was wondering if anyone has changed the steam wand on their unit? If not does anyone know where the extension piece that screws into the brass fitting coming out of the machine can be located??

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by shortblackman View Post
                            Pavoni. Many opt for a single hole aftermarket! I was going to, then I just worked out how to use it properly.
                            Well.... bugger. I've been using the 3-hole on my pavoni and never quite got the hang of it (ever!) so um.. looks like I'll be doing more reading glad this thread is here! Got any good tips specific to the Pavoni 3 hole tip?

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                            • #29
                              Have you tried the strip given by Koffeekosmo? Give it a go, works very well.

                              Also don't forget you can practice technique using water in the jug with one drop of dishwashing liquid.

                              Cheers

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by Rolley View Post
                                Well.... bugger. I've been using the 3-hole on my pavoni and never quite got the hang of it (ever!) so um.. looks like I'll be doing more reading glad this thread is here! Got any good tips specific to the Pavoni 3 hole tip?
                                Yes - Block off one of those holes. My Pavoni Pro came with a three hole tip, but it did not have enough grunt for three. It had a brass tip, and I soldered one of them shut, and now it's much better. My Europiccola has a single hole tip and was a better steamer than the Pro until I did this simple mod, now they are very similar. I should probably mention that the hole in the single tip is a little larger than the two remaining holes in the other tip.

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