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    Hi to all the experts here.....maybe someone can tell me what Im doing wrong????

    My frothed milk ends up with nice microfroth on the top, but underneith this layer is awful thin hot milk with no airation. The hot milk part seems to make the coffee really taste of `milk`, so I discard most of the milk and only use the top foam bit. It used to all mix fairly well, but now there is a distinct seperation between froth and liquid.

    Any advice???

  • #2
    Re: re frothed milk seperating in an awful way!!!!

    Would be interested to know what type of machine you use Sharon, and also what type of milk.

    I think the idea is to create a little to medium amount of foam rather than a mountain of the stuff. Once youve achieved that, try moving the jug or wand ever so slightly so that the milk swirls, or better yet, rolls over itself. That way your froth should blend with the milk.

    Also, light/skim milks tend to create more foam, more quickly. To my way of thinking these bubbles may be more rigid in structure than those produced with full cream milk - go back to the A2 full cream!

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    • #3
      Re: re frothed milk seperating in an awful way!!!!

      Hi Sharon,

      It would be good to read more about what technique and milk you are using before we can really offer you up informed opinions and assistance.

      Let us know what type of milk you are using and tell us about your own technique, what you are seeing happening in your jug and what temperature you are steaming too as well.

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      • #4
        Re: re frothed milk seperating in an awful way!!!!

        Sounds like overheated milk...

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        • #5
          Re: re frothed milk seperating in an awful way!!!!

          Try using unhomogenised milk, and keep the temperature of the milk down to 60C. Once you get above that the foam will separate from the milk.

          I almost never have issues with microfoam when using unhomogenised full cream milk. As soon as I go back to homogenised milk I have to be much more careful.

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          • #6
            Re: re frothed milk seperating in an awful way!!!!

            Hi everyone, thanks for the replies! I will try to narrow down the reasons for my milk seperation problems....

            I have an automatic Saeco incantios (strike one I know!), I do sometimes heat the milk above 60 degrees, I use both regular and low fat milk.....and this never used to happen before. I am thinking that maybe this machine needs to go back to its maker....again....have had it for under 6 months. I am thinking that maybe the steam is actually filling up my jug with water that I cant see, because I end up with alot of milk when I am done?????

            To give more detail, the microfoam on top is superb, it is pure cream, no dryness or stiffness. It is also pure white color and tastes great.....but underneith lies a totally different animal!!! The milk is cream in color, hot, thin, heavy weight for the quantity ie no airation. The difference in color is amazing, and lately I toss most of this out as it really makes the coffee taste like hot milk. I cant remember this happening before, so I am pretty sure it is a new problem.

            Any suggestions????

            Also, maybe I will go back to my A1 milk...that was perfect before. I am mainly using Pure Light Start, which used to be very consistent. I havent heard of unhomenogised milk.....should I try it, does it taste weird????

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            • #7
              Re: re frothed milk seperating in an awful way!!!!

              I seem to be having trouble at present as well.
              I thought it might have been that time of the year when the milk seem to go "different" for a while. Personally I blame the cows!
              I was doing really well with the milk and foam but then everything just went. No structure - good foam though.
              I try to stretch the milk till about 30 degrees then stick the wand in further and get the swirl going till about 55 - 60 degrees.
              I use low fat milk (cause Im fat) and use a Breville Ikon machine (theres strike 2) Once finished, the foam and milk are separated so I get the milk swirling in a anticlockwise direction and try to fold it back into itself. Bang it a couple of times to get rid of the big bubbles, but it still not pouring properly and remains separated. Finish up with lots of bubbles and you can actually hear the bubbles in the espresso.
              Comments???

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              • #8
                Re: re frothed milk seperating in an awful way!!!!

                Dont bang your jug! It will actually separate the milk and foam quicker.

                Also, when you remove most of the fats from milk, what do you think you have left? Anyone? Anyone? Anyone? (Ferris Bueller homage!! )

                Water is all you have left!!

                So, ever tried to froth water??

                Really, go back to full cream milk for your coffee. As youve seen Sharon, it does better than any light milk.

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                • #9
                  Re: re frothed milk seperating in an awful way!!!!

                  What kind of a steam wand does your machine have? A single hole tip or a froth-enhancing-aider-panarello-type attachment? Most domestic machines these days come standard with the froth-aider thing which doesnt help the steaming process too much.

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                  • #10
                    Re: re frothed milk seperating in an awful way!!!!

                    Originally posted by NewToEspresso link=1188822985/0#8 date=1190156981
                    What kind of a steam wand does your machine have? A single hole tip or a froth-enhancing-aider-panarello-type attachment? Most domestic machines these days come standard with the froth-aider thing which doesnt help the steaming process too much.
                    Its a Seaco, so, froth aider. Ive seen a video on Youtube where someone ours art using a froth aider. But could never achieve decent milk with the Seaco at work. I just get hot milk with bubbly froth on top.

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                    • #11
                      Re: re frothed milk seperating in an awful way!!!!

                      I have an Ikon with a single hole frother. I discarded the froth enhancer soon after I got the machine. As mentioned, it froths well (silky looking) but just doesnt mix well. I still seem to get a separation despite the folding and swirling. I need to use a low fat type of milk cause I cant drink full cream

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                      • #12
                        Re: re frothed milk seperating in an awful way!!!!

                        I am having this problem lately too. I came here to post a thread asking for help.

                        I have been frothing milk for about a year now. Majority of the time I end up with beautiful thick glossy meringue type milk, but lately I have a thin watery substance on the bottom and nice thick foam on top. Normally its a nice thick cream below. Its driving me NUTS. It completely separates and when I poor its terrible watery gunk.

                        I keep putting it down to my frothing technique that I must be doing something wrong the times it doesnt work out, but its happening so frequently lately and I cant work out what Im suddenly doing thats so different. I do notice if I pull the jug down too fast it can happen, but of late its happening no matter what I do.

                        I use Skinny Milk, always have. I store my jugs in the freezer, always done this too. I have always used a thermometer. I dont use froth enhancers. The milk on the top is still thick and glossy, its just what is below.

                        aaaaaaggggggggrrrrrrrrrrr come back nice milk

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                        • #13
                          Re: re frothed milk seperating in an awful way!!!!

                          is it possible that your steam wand spurts steam which is too wet, or even water into the milk and dilutes it?
                          might pay to check what comes out of the wand in an empty jug...
                          good luck!

                          L

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                          • #14
                            Re: re frothed milk seperating in an awful way!!!!

                            Originally posted by scoota gal link=1188822985/0#7 date=1190153155
                            Dont bang your jug! It will actually separate the milk and foam quicker.

                            Also, when you remove most of the fats from milk, what do you think you have left? Anyone? Anyone? Anyone? (Ferris Bueller homage!! )

                            Water is all you have left!!

                            So, ever tried to froth water??

                            Really, go back to full cream milk for your coffee. As youve seen Sharon, it does better than any light milk.
                            I agree that full-cream milk is way better, taste-wise, I dont use it at home ever, so no idea about texturing it.

                            But ... I thought it was the proteins in the milk that allows it to stretch, not the fats? Am I wrong?

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                            • #15
                              Re: re frothed milk seperating in an awful way!!!!

                              Originally posted by Lizzi link=1188822985/0#12 date=1193099761
                              is it possible that your steam wand spurts steam which is too wet, or even water into the milk and dilutes it?
                              might pay to check what comes out of the wand in an empty jug...
                              good luck!

                              L
                              Oh dear in a 20-30second go without anything in the jug, I got about 1cm water !!!
                              Tried it several times, same results. Does that mean my machine is on the out ?? It is a thermablock.
                              I dont have any $$$ to buy a new one

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