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  • #31
    Re: Wheres the fun gone???

    I rest my case

    you will note I posted my opinion and then went on to say but thats the way this site is run and I chose to adhere to these rules by sitting back and watching rather than posting (not that I know much to add anything useful) and proceeded to get jumped on by everyone :P

    Im not going against the rules at any time

    Im not jumping up and down and saying this is how it should be run

    Im not saying well I own a forum and we assume all our members are adults and know when they are passing the line and let them self moderate (though when somebody does go to far and makes it personal they get jumped on pretty quick)

    I only stated my opinion as does everyone else on a forum, how many people may be out there agreeing but dont say so?

    I dont think this is CS bagging, just presenting 1 persons opinion, theres nothing wrong with thinking different to others, imagine a forum like that, 1 person posts then 200 replies of Yes, I agree

    re the pic size, Andy I agree that 2mb 3000pix wide are a bit silly but I am sure most people are browsing on screens 1024 or wider and cope with a bigger that 640 pic size, even 800 can be small still

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    • #32
      Re: Wheres the fun gone???

      Sheeze Sunbeamer, its not an attack on you, pic size is a real issue for those on small bandwidth connections. We have plenty of members who are happy using the site on a dial-up modem (and so they should). Those same members dont get much love on you-tube or sites with huge shockwave/flash multi-media menus but can browse around CS without grief.

      Large images can be linked to an off-site service or attached to a post as a downloadable ZIP file. Then people have the choice.

      We could assume that everyone lives in the city and has a $100 per month "fat internet" connection or we can keep the sizes of images at a reasonable level so they work for all.

      I like the later.

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      • #33
        Re: Wheres the fun gone???

        Reply #29
        Reply #31
        Its deja vu all over again.

        Andy, you need sleep.

        FWIW, I like the forum.
        I believe it is very much in the lightly moderated category.
        There is hardly any flaming, which is a true rarity.
        There is sometimes a tendancy to ignore the request for a cheap recommendation, but that is often the voice of experience and the wallet of emptiness attempting to help others avoid mistakes of our past.

        I only stated my opinion as does everyone else on a forum, how many people may be out there agreeing but dont say so?
        Dunno. How many people may be out there disagreeing and not saying so?

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        • #34
          Re: Wheres the fun gone???

          Andy slow down I am not disagreeing with you

          all I said was I dont think somebody posting a screen quality pic thats 800 pixels across should get it squashed down to 640, I am sure there are as many users with not the best eyesight as there are strangled by dialup that would prefer to not squint

          Im not losing sleep over any of and I dont see any of it as an attack, suprised by how many people think I do though

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          • #35
            Re: Wheres the fun gone???

            Originally posted by Sunbeamer link=1209559305/30#33 date=1209702940
            Im not losing sleep over any of and I dont see any of it as an attack, suprised by how many people think I do though
            > > > Sunbeamer, whats your address!! Im gonna come over right now and put a bomb under your house!!!

            ok, Im just kidding. Its good to see this healthy banter going on. Keeps it real, as long as we keep it real.

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            • #36
              Re: Wheres the fun gone???

              Ive noticed over quite a few years of forum participations that text based communication is notoriously easy to be misunderstood. In fact, I actually appreciate the smiley faces just so I can get a sense of the emotion or attitude behind the statement - tongue sticking out = cheeky statement?; flatline mouth = concerned, but not totally upset yet, etc. (maybe Ive interpreted these wrong too??)

              Anyway, my point is that I think CS and CS mods and members generally make a big effort, either consciously or sub-consciously, to be clear about what they are trying to communicate, both in terms of content and manner, though of course, this is impossible to do perfectly. During times when things are perceived (rightly or wrongly) to be going out of hand, I think it is fair enough that the mods come out and take action, even if it is seen to be on the conservative side (I tried to find the most neutral term, and conservative might not cut it as one).

              I seem to be writing essays for a living at the moment, and more and more I am begining to really appreciate both the wonders and the difficulties of written communication. I also do a few book reviews and assessments of different view points and I have found that one needs to be a gracious reader. I think the same goes with forums. In laymans terms, I reckon someones suggestion to take a chill pill to be just the tonic for forum reading and posting! In terms of one specific thing Ive noticed: some people seem to feel attacked when their comments/suggestions are disagreed with or corrected, and often they respond with escalating indignation and defensiveness. I wonder if it would be helpful if we didnt take things so personally?

              There are all sorts of people here, with different viewpoints and different ways of expressing them. Every community needs boundaries and I am glad that we have the CS mods to establish and maintain those boundaries. I know they dont do so as legalistic policers and they do a darn good job, recognising however, that they will not always make the best decisions by everyone and even by themselves sometimes.

              Anyway, Im not directing this at anyone in particular, merely expressing some thoughts related to the issue at hand. Hope thats ok with everyone... :P

              Last thing: I love this forum (warts and all) and its by far the most friendly one Ive ever been on!

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              • #37
                Re: Wheres the fun gone???

                Heres my two cents thrown into the kitty.

                Ive been admining/moderating forums such as this since long before the world wide web exploded onto the scene in the early 90s. In my experience all the way from the days of BBSs right up to the present day unmoderated forums simply dont work.

                While wed like to think that everyone is an adult and capable of self-moderation the reality is that such is not the case. While most people will behave in a responsible adult manner respecting the other users, not everyone does. And there-in lies the rub.

                It only takes a few obnoxious users to ruin a forum for everybody. With-out moderation a few bad apples posting their drivel soon chase away the good users and the site either dies or becomes nothing but a forum for these immature twits to post their personal attacks and ventings on. I have seen more forums than I care to count destroyed due to this type of immature behavior.

                We have had our share of these types of people over the years here at CS, but because this is a forum moderated by people who deeply care not only about coffee but about the CS community as a whole the immature twits were quickly seen and dealt with. And by dealt with I dont mean their account was locked out/deleted. They were talked too by a Mod and the problems with their posts pointed out to them and they were asked to please refrain from such behavior in the future. In almost every case that was all that was needed. Had a Mod not stepped in though these few immature little twits would quickly have driven many good users away.

                When I first joined CS there were less than 200 members. Look at us now. Less than three and a half years later we have almost 5,000 registered members, and if we stay on the same growth curve that weve been on for the last 3 years we will have 10,000 members in just over a year. We must be doing something right! In all that time, and with the thousands of members that we have, there has been less than a handful of users (not including spammers) locked out/deleted.

                Our rules are minimal and simple. Short of an unauthorized commercial post or a personal attack censorship is non-existent here. Posts may be moved so that they are in an appropriate area and over sized pictures may be reduced so-as to provide the best viewing experience for as many users as possible. This hardly qualifies as censorship. Free speech is alive and well here in CS land. Long may it reign!

                If you doubt this simply take a look at the posts in this and many other threads where someone posts an unpopular opinion with the statement now watch my post be deleted. Guess what? The posts are still there. Actions speak louder than words, and the actions of the Admin/Mod team clearly show they have the utmost respect for freedom of expression. All we ask is that you do it in the appropriate forum and with-out personal attacks.

                And now I must be tottering off to bed as its 2am here and I have to be at the SCAA Conference in 6 hours for a round of seminars!


                Java "Be good to one another!" phile
                Toys! I must have new toys!!!

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                • #38
                  Re: Wheres the fun gone???


                  A couple of days, a few pages of venting and I think this thread has run its run.

                  Im going to lock the thread, not for censorship reasons, just for sanity ones. (feel free to start a new thread if you think its required)

                  I think we should get back to coffee, and having "fun"


                  ...its the real reason we are all here after all.

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