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  • Snobs with Wings.....

    Originally posted by 7140574E4F48434E58210 link=1113143680/461#461 date=1234774935
    Also enjoy aviation!
    Do you fly or just enjoy the "look" part of aviation?

    -Linda

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    Re: Snobs with Wings.....

    Originally posted by 715D5F5F5D4F635F54555F575D3C0 link=1113143680/462#462 date=1234785929

    Do you fly or just enjoy the "look" part of aviation?

    -Linda
    Hi,

    I cannot afford it yet...always spending money on education.

    My best friend from high school is a pilot and I go flying with him regularly - aerobatics out of Camden just two weeks ago. Often we experience pilot blackouts whereby my friend becomes temporarily disabled and I just have to fly the plane...shhhhh! Have even brought it down for final.

    I have a few thousand hours up on flight sim and have done the theory component of licence.

    I think this latest education venture is the last and I will actually get a good pay in coming years (2 more to go), whereby I am definitely off to get my private licence. Thinking of eventually buying a plane and attempting a fly in fly out medical job in a rural area.

    What about you? Do you fly?

    Travis.

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      Re: Snobs with Wings.....

      Travis,

      Have you considered a Recreational Aviation licence?

      Only costs about $3000 to get your "certificate" and planes in this category are also a lot cheaper - and you can do your own maintenance as well......

      Heaps of fun I can assure you (I own a Flightstar). Worth a look..... (but no aerobatics permitted!)

      Check out http://www.auf.asn.au/

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        Re: Snobs with Wings.....

        Originally posted by 0B20372003410 link=1113143680/464#464 date=1234821058
        Travis,

        Have you considered a Recreational Aviation licence?
        Check out http://www.auf.asn.au/
        I have loosely considered this but never really looked into it seriously. I see plenty flying out of my local airport...maybe time to go have a chat to some of them when I find the time. I am attending an airshow there this Sunday...lookout I may come away with a lesson booked!

        In the end I would like to be in a heavier plane and be able to do the occasional aerobatics. If I were to buy a heavier plane in the end, I would probably go for one more for commuting than aerobatics though - and just rent an aerobat when I wish.

        How practical can these recreational craft be for commuting to say a rural area and carrying equipment. I note the pics of the one you have that I saw on the net are two seaters - I doubt the equipment I would need to carry would exceed the weight or volume of a passenger...so looking good from this aspect. However, what sort of range and cruise speed do you get? And I am assuming more likely to get grounded due to weather in the recreational.

        I will look into it more to get me flying in the meantime though. I guess it will depend also on price of renting at my local airport as I definitely wont be buying anything for several years yet.

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          Re: Snobs with Wings.....

          Originally posted by 59687F6667606B6670090 link=1113143680/463#463 date=1234818859
          What about you? Do you fly?
          Travis.
          Hey Travis!

          No, I am Navigator. Flying doesnt actually interest me. I prefer to read the maps, use the GPS, use the ERSA, etc....all that helps the Pilot...(my husband)

          We are both members of RA-Aus...mine is just a non-flying member.

          JB is right though. It is a heck of alot cheaper doing it with AUF...Alot of GA pilots are actually going over to it.

          We fly a Jabiru J160 that we bought as a kit and built...and is RAA-Aus registered.

          -Linda

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            Hi Linda,

            Those Jabirus look really nice. The cruising speed and range looks good also for this size aircraft.

            If you dont mind me asking, how much does it cost to register one of these with the RAA-Aus rego?

            Also, how difficult is it really to build one? I am okay with a set of tools but nothing specialised which needs real skill. I noticed Jabiru run workshops for diy kit builders...would this be a neccesity or more an option?

            Java B - jump on in and answer same questions about your aircraft too - I am keen to know more about these. And anyone else?

            Sorry for all the questions...but you have my attention!

            Travis.

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              Travis,

              Mine is a more "economical" aircraft (costs less to buy) and is more "draggy" than the Jabs for example.....  top speed of about 58 knots and a useful load rating of 220Kg....

              Whilst its range is limited in theory... Flightstars have been flown up and down the entire east coast of Australia....

              There is a huge range of aircraft which can be registered under RA-Aus... including quite a few GA aircraft..... Im sure you could find something ideally suited to you needs.... and for a lot less in the $$$$ department.

              There are also moves underway to increase the MTOW accepted for registration to 760Kg which will add quite a few more aircraft.

              Re weather... the crosswind component of most ultralights is identical to GA aircraft....  so not a big issue.....

              And you can have a LOT of fun.... Ultralight clubs seem far more friendly places than their GA equivalents..... well worth a visit IMHO.

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              • #8
                Re: Snobs with Wings.....

                Originally posted by 3302150C0D0A010C1A630 link=1113143680/467#467 date=1234848751
                Those Jabirus look really nice. The cruising speed and range looks good also for this size aircraft.
                Our Jab does a cruise speed of about 110 knts. It has 140 lts in the wings (wet wings) and burns about 15-16 lts an hour. This will get us to the Qld border from Victoria...in about 8-9 hours.

                If you dont mind me asking, how much does it cost to register one of these with the RAA-Aus rego?
                I think its about $180-$190 for 2 years.

                Also, how difficult is it really to build one? I am okay with a set of tools but nothing specialised which needs real skill. I noticed Jabiru run workshops for diy kit builders...would this be a neccesity or more an option?
                It took us 3 years from kit stage to build ours. Alot of hard work (because it is fibreglass there was alot...and I mean alot! of rubbing back :P)
                There is no specialised profession in building one, my husband is a motor mechanic by trade, and just me. Patience and a love for this hobby is all we had.
                There are some workshops around that do offer advice for building your own kit plane, there is also one offered for maintanence for them aswell.

                I noticed you are going to the Woolongong flyin. There are a few people in Jabs that are going up there (unfortunately we cant make it) that we are good friends with. I am sure they would be more than happy to answer any/all questions that you have.

                If I can help with any other questions please ask, I am more than happy to answer.

                -Linda


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                  Re: Snobs with Wings.....

                  [movedhere] What do Coffee Snobs do for a crust [move by] Mal.

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                    Re: Snobs with Wings.....

                    Hi Mal

                    Was wondering when this conversation would be given its own thread...

                    But "Snobs with Wings....."

                    Havent become an angel yet..... and probably never will :

                    By the way, for we "flying" coffeesnobs..... because caffeine is addictive - the lack of it (on a long flight) can cause us to make bad decisions (human factors as applicable to piloting a plane)..... so better take your caffeine fix with you.....

                    Now how can I install my twin group LC in my plane? ;D ;D ;D

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                      Re: Snobs with Wings.....

                      Originally posted by 002B3C2B084A0 link=1234785930/9#9 date=1234879816
                      Havent become an angel yet..... and probably never will :
                      Wasnt thinking of the "feathery" kind JB ;D

                      Mal.

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                      • #12
                        Re: Snobs with Wings.....

                        Originally posted by 113A2D3A195B0 link=1234785930/9#9 date=1234879816
                        Now how can I install my twin group LC in my plane? ;D ;D ;D
                        Your dreamin! With a useful load rating of 220kg I dont think youre going to get much more than a Presso in! And youll have to forgo the luggage for the trip I daresay! ;D

                        Originally posted by 0B3A2D3435323934225B0 link=1234785930/1#1 date=1234818859
                        My best friend from high school is a pilot and I go flying with him regularly - aerobatics out of Camden just two weeks ago. Often we experience pilot blackouts whereby my friend becomes temporarily disabled and I just have to fly the plane...shhhhh! Have even brought it down for final.
                        This is not something to be proud of! Having lived with and worked with professional pilots for the past sixteen years, there would be none of them that would be impressed with this kind of thing. Seriously. That is very dangerous regardless of how well you think you can fly.

                        Originally posted by 0B3A2D3435323934225B0 link=1234785930/1#1 date=1234818859
                        Thinking of eventually buying a plane and attempting a fly in fly out medical job in a rural area.
                        Being from a rural area, this is great to hear. We occasionally get a locum (sp?) who flies himself around to various country towns relieving GPs when needed. And then we also have the air ambulance visit as well but mostly these days we get the rescue helicopter in for patient retrievals.

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                          Re: Snobs with Wings.....

                          Originally posted by 796965657E6B556D6B660A0 link=1234785930/11#11 date=1234905760
                          This is not something to be proud of!Shocked Having lived with and worked with professional pilots for the past sixteen years, there would be none of them that would be impressed with this kind of thing. Seriously. That is very dangerous regardless of how well you think you can fly.
                          I must admit I was surprised at that statement as well.

                          To cause a person to blackout you are pulling some very serious Gs... a level which is in excess of the design loading of most planes.... aerobatic or not! Planes, similar to those which the pilots fly in the Red Bull air race, are capable of that (one of the pilots can withstand G forces well in excess of any "normal" pilot by the way.... he has trained his body to withstand the effect)....

                          However G forces sufficient to cause blackouts in normal pilots will generally stress the planes airframe beyond its capability.... and it will fail.... maybe not straight away... but eventually some "non essential" part - like the wings - will drop off..... and the plane becomes an aerodynamic rock.... :-[

                          This tends to really spoil your day of flying..... regardless of your skill level as a pilot!

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                            Do these ones below count.

                            Some of aeromodellers are just frustrated full sized pilots or in my case 20+ currently flying toys would buy me a nice ultralight with change : Maybe one day when I win Tattslotto and get a house with a 6 car Garage it will be time for one of these  

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                              This is our baby:



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