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  • #31
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    Without reading any of the replys I would have to say that the logical thing would be to get solar power setup. Provided your income is low enough the government will pay for all the equipment and all you have to pay for is the installation. Better hurry up though as the offer will be ending soon.

    Justin

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    • #32
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      Thanks JB
      The 1 kw solar system was ordered b/4 the cut off date
      Plus I also have Solar hot water

      News reports today of electricity costs sky-rocketing should make people shudder as costs are rising from 16 cents per kw hour to 22 cents per kw hour

      Also from next year our council (BCC) will not control water charges

      KK

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      • #33
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        BTW my father in law and his dad really believe in this alternative energy stuff. My own dad got given a cd once with the blueprints on how to build one of these things. I gave a copy to the father in law. We all know that there is no such thing as perpetual energy but the explanation by the father in law is that it has something to do with being able to tap into some thermodynamic power or something to that description. Interestingly every time he builds something to create free energy he gets sidetracked thinking that he has found some other worth while thing. Therefore my stance on the subject is that I can neither confirm or deny it. I think that makes me fence sitter!!!!

        There are however videos on youtube of these things that make it look as though they are running.

        On a side note I have never believed in perpetual energy(note that thing you are talking about is not only perpetual but generates more than it uses) but there is one circumstance that has me twisted and that is hydrogen. Usually when something burns it changes for quite dramatically but hydrogen is quite different because when it burns it attaches itself to an oxygen cells. So you start out with 2x H and 1xO. When it burns you have exactly the same but in the form of H2O. As there are no byproducts and you are still left with 2 parts of hydrogen, you have the same energy potential as when you started. That to me begs the question of where did the energy come from to make the flame and the light, heat and noise associated?

        I dont know if you can follow my logic there on the hydrogen thing but that is the only thing that leaves the perpetual energy thing up in the air for me.


        Justin

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        • #34
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          Yes I was watching a sci/fi program and they said that Hydrogen is the most abundant material in the universe
          The sun uses hydrogen as its primary fuel source

          Perpetual motion may be possible in the future??

          But now in the present time the answer is no as all things invented so far use a material or part the wears down and fails eg a bearing

          I am with you in the fence sitters camp

          I notice that you are in WA
          There is a pilot program approved for a hybrid wave power generation scheme
          http://www.carnegiecorp.com.au/

          KK

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          • #35
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            Originally posted by 1F2026213C3B0A173A2C3930550 link=1240751087/32#32 date=1241792615
            So you start out with 2x H and 1xO.When it burns you have exactly the same but in the form of H2O.As there are no byproducts and you are still left with 2 parts of hydrogen, you have the same energy potential as when you started.That to me begs the question of where did the energy come from to make the flame and the light, heat and noise associated?
            The atoms havent changed, but the bonds between them have.


            Java "Bonding with his Gothot" phile
            Toys! I must have new toys!!!

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            • #36
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              Originally posted by 1F2026213C3B0A173A2C3930550 link=1240751087/32#32 date=1241792615
              ... there is one circumstance that has me twisted and that is hydrogen. Usually when something burns it changes for quite dramatically but hydrogen is quite different because when it burns it attaches itself to an oxygen cells. So you start out with 2x H and 1xO. When it burns you have exactly the same but in the form of H2O. As there are no byproducts and you are still left with 2 parts of hydrogen, you have the same energy potential as when you started. That to me begs the question of where did the energy come from to make the flame and the light, heat and noise associated?
              You actually start off with H2 gas and O2 gas. The atoms are bound together in pairs, called molecules.
              There is energy bound up in the H2 molecules.
              There is energy bound up in the O2 molecule.
              Now let them burn ....
              What happens is 2 x H2 + O2 => 2 x H2O

              However the amount of energy that can be bound up in the 2 H2O molecules produced is less than what was bound up in the reactants - the 2 x H2 molecules and 1 x O2 molecule.
              So we have more energy bound up within the reactants that "can fit" into the final water molecules formed. This is released as the light, heat and noise i.e. the fun parts :-)

              There is a nice enthalpy diagram in the article here that shows this: http://www.clickandlearn.org/chemistry/enthalpy.htm

              Mike




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              • #37
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                Ill believe you. Its all above my uneducated mind. It seems there is an answer for everything even if you dont understand it.

                jb

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                • #38
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                  Would you believe it
                  I posted the forms for the solar rebate back today

                  I dont know if it will affect me due to the sudden axing of the program by the (ALP) Labor Federal Government

                  http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2009/06/09/2593248.htm?section=business

                  The $8,000 rebate is being scrapped in favour of a market-driven system of solar credits and the switch-over was expected to be at the end of the month.

                  KK

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                  • #39
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                    Oh...well, I hope that I got my forms in early enough then. What a joke that all is though...how typical of a Labour government to be in bed with the big corporates... :

                    well, thats all Ill say on politics... :

                    Oh..except...

                    Woe to the government when our electricity prices go up again... >

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                    • #40
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                      Weve just been told (by the QLD Govt) that our electrical energy costs are going to increase by 16% . Looks like candles for lighting and small wood heaters for the bedrooms...

                      Mal.

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                      • #41
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                        OK an update

                        I am a little frustrated
                        The application went in back in June 2009

                        And not a reply has come yet
                        Unless I get a reply stating the application is successful to proceed with the install
                        Or if not approved - my $1500 deposit can be returned

                        I cant cancel out until I have a judgement or loose my deposit
                        I am stuck between a rock & a hard place

                        Anyone in the same predicament ?

                        KK

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                        • #42
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                          We had our 1kw system installed last week as part of the "Shepparton Goes Solar" initative. Its generating power but until our local electricity supplier installs our 2 way meter we wont receive any credits for power feed back into the grid, hopefully that will happen by the end of the year.

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                          • #43
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                            Originally posted by 694D444447477D694D514F4D220 link=1240751087/40#40 date=1257120340
                            I am a little frustrated
                            Sounds like its time to go find a desk to pound on. >


                            Java "Doesnt play nice with bureaucrats" phile
                            Toys! I must have new toys!!!

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                            • #44
                              Re: Power Generation Grid Feed System

                              Update  
                              Progress of my Solar Power Generating System

                              Our government rebate was approved in full total $8000

                              The solar system was installed this week
                              Checking on power generation so far by the 6 solar panels is on average 5kw hours per day on the short time it has been in operation

                              At times my meter is going backwards when I go to check

                              The Sun brand inverter (German made) has a display on day or cumulative power generation

                              On my power use account my general electricity use is on average 6KW hours per day

                              I can see a big saving based on those figures
                              Dependant on the Sunshine and few cloudy days  

                              The power supply company still has to fit another meter to calculate the green power sell back price when my system generates more power than we consume

                              The current system can have 2 more solar panels fitted and I may upgrade it by adding them in the hope that I may have zero electricity bills

                              Photo is a picture of the Solar panels on the roof

                              KK

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                              • #45
                                Re: Power Generation Grid Feed System

                                Nice one KK, Gotta love a $8,000 government handout eh. I got my 1Kw just before Christmas. Cant say its done too much after I ran the ducted 21Kw aircon for most of the summer, but at least the kids and I were cool, and the solar probably reduced the bill a bit.

                                Theres also a monitoring system you can buy and install which transmits usage info to your PC for about $300 if your interested.

                                My system is a 1.2Kw Latronics & 6 sharp solar panels. Just got in before the rebate was pulled like you and had to wait ages to get it installed. Not sure I got a fantastic deal but better than nothing.

                                Anyway enjoy being green. Save the human race I say... the planet will be here for a long time... not sure we will at the rate we are going.

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