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  • #31
    Re: You, I and our planet.

    To save going too far O/T, PM sent, Steve.

    Originally posted by 404A5F4848475355260 link=1253756834/29#29 date=1254261178
    That would make a nice blend with 10% Ross shelf Robusta
    You mean Ross Sea? ;D

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    • #32
      Re: You, I and our planet.

      Originally posted by 656F7A6D6D627670030 link=1253756834/27#27 date=1254222033
      Hows Warwick going? Its the Condamine there isnt it?
      Yes mate, thats right....

      Its not too bad up here. We live on the Eastern side of Warwick and our water is sourced from a spring fed reservoir called Connelly Dam. It always seems to have plenty of water in it, of quite good quality too as it happens. The rest of Warwick and quite a few other major centres, some even quite distant to us, get their water from a much more significant reservoir called Leslie Dam. Connelly Dam looks like a duck pond by comparison.

      Both impoundments are quite respectable at the moment as a result of regular decent rains earlier this year and last year. Neither tap into the Condamine though which flows through our region unimpeded. I think this changes further downstream of us though, towards St.George and past there. Not the least of which is the "Cubby Station" impoundment, which is huge and certainly significantly larger than all the other reservoirs combined.

      Mal.

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      • #33
        Re: INTERESTING VID...

        as a side note to this did anyone catch Landline today on ABC1 it was about the "use of water" in agriculture etc

        research was showing that a cup of coffee took about 140 liters of water to make each cup thats seed (plant) -> cup

        beef was about 15000 litres water per kilo......
        peanut MMs were about 1700L of water per packet !!!
        jar dolmio tomato sauce was 7L

        the program was more about figuring out if crops in some areas of Australia were putting to much pressure on water. EG beef on the Murry river area might be bad, where sugar cane in Tully QLD would be fine. So depending on where the coffee is grown may have no real inpact on water supplies but may have if grown in water scarce areas.

        was an interesting program the 140L for coffee was interesting if you think how much coffee is used daily....... thats a lot of water!!!

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        • #34
          Re: INTERESTING VID...

          Originally posted by 6D616865656C000 link=1263023640/9#9 date=1263181546
          research was showing that a cup of coffee took about 140 liters of water to make each cup thats seed (plant) -> cup
          What about backflushing and washing the cup?

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          • #35
            Re: INTERESTING VID...

            Originally posted by 704C514A404156434B40240 link=1263023640/10#10 date=1263183712
            backflushing ??
            whats that?


            edit: I just went and watched a few more coffee "fair trade" utube vids and after thinking a bit more about AMs OP it has got me thinking a bit more about the whole "pay a bit more for legal crops solution"

            must say thanks to Andy and the faircrack project, not that i buy a lot of coffee beans but good to know at when i do a small amount heads of to hopefully help the ones on the far end.......

            Leeham

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            • #36
              Re: INTERESTING VID...

              In most countries the coffee is grown without the aid of irrigation and the only water used is in the processing methods.

              I assume that the vast majority of this coffee-water usage is based apon the instant coffee world where the coffee is brewed once at the factory and again at the home....silly instant drinkers.

              And though its definately not a good thing...the water in most cases is either recycled back onto farms or dumped into water streams. In some countries its process with the left over plant matter as a fuel.

              So while it MAY be correct that an average coffee uses 140 litres of water to make, that water is not gone forever as a result.

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              • #37
                Re: INTERESTING VID...

                Originally posted by 4B726C625840070 link=1263023640/12#12 date=1263188496
                that water in not gone forever
                No water has ever been lost it just gets recycled.
                You are probably drinking water thats been through a dinosaur.

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                • #38
                  Re: INTERESTING VID...

                  Originally posted by 665A475C565740555D56320 link=1263023640/13#13 date=1263190210
                  Originally posted by 4B726C625840070 link=1263023640/12#12 date=1263188496
                  that water in not gone forever
                  No water has ever been lost it just gets recycled.
                  You are probably drinking water thats been through a dinosaur.
                  Agree, but in already arid areas the rate of water consumption is relevant, which makes crop and/or livestock selection more important, eg. cattle farming generates value to our economy but at what cost to the soil/environment?

                  Do we have a new topic here called conservation?

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                  • #39
                    Re: INTERESTING VID...

                    Dennis is on the mark its about what water is used for, the program was MORE about where and what water should be used for

                    many products also have an embedded water content that may be being "taken" from one area to another something like oranges in Aust from USA etc

                    its easy to say the water is "recycled" but is it fit for recycling onto other food crops / fish / human consumption ???

                    i guess the WFTO would need to show that growing coffee / fruit "IS" better than growing drug crops, it might actually be better for those areas to grow drug crops..... someone will anyway

                    anyway its and interesting argument in both the OP and the water issue IMO

                    Leeham

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                    • #40
                      Re: INTERESTING VID...

                      Originally posted by 0C2D2626213B480 link=1263023640/14#14 date=1263190701
                      Agree, but in already arid areas the rate of water consumption is relevant, which makes crop and/or livestock selection more important, eg. cattle farming generates value to our economy but at what cost to the soil/environment?
                      Agreed and white Australians have been making that mistake since they arrived and just settled into farming like in the old country.

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                      • #41
                        Re: INTERESTING VID...

                        Originally posted by 64454E4E4953200 link=1263023640/14#14 date=1263190701
                        Agree
                        Originally posted by 7448554E444552474F44200 link=1263023640/16#16 date=1263191991
                        Agreed
                        I really worry when that happens. ;D

                        Originally posted by 4D414845454C200 link=1263023640/15#15 date=1263191509
                        anyway its and interesting argument in both the OP and the water issue IMO
                        We [humans] really have done a fine job of stuffing things up hey Leeham? But dont despair. If I do my bit and you do yours, I really do believe, though it sounds smarmy, that we can make a positive difference. And as youve already pointed out, FairCrack is a living example!

                        ps. If you want to make me happy, for starters, dont use red type on a green background! :


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                        • #42
                          Re: You, I and our planet.

                          [postsmovedhere1] 9 [postsmovedhere2] General Coffee Related... [move by] Javaphile.
                          Toys! I must have new toys!!!

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                          • #43
                            Re: You, I and our planet.

                            Similar topic, not quite off topic yet...


                            A movie that we watched the other night.

                            The Age Of Stupid.
                            http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1300563/

                            Worth a look if if this sort of thing interests you. 8-)

                            (Bolb can give it a miss though) :

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                            • #44
                              Re: You, I and our planet.

                              I must admit that I am DEEPLY WORRIED that this film has been praised both by the media and by politicians. 8-)

                              Greg

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                              • #45
                                Re: You, I and our planet.

                                Originally posted by 333421373A2C0A646C6C6C550 link=1253756834/22#22 date=1254062827
                                Some years ago, I used to work for an airline, and this IS a seriously considered issue.
                                I could bang on about it for ages but in my usual fashion, I favour the slightly humorous over the serious.
                                At one stage whilst working there, they had done a study that came back with some cost saving estimates per year if they managed to reduce on board weight by 100-150kg per flight. It was some astronomical figure (probably hugely overinflated). This led to all manner of things being reviewed with the main target being catering. In the end, the main recommendation was reducing (or completely removing on some flights) .... ice.
                                I did comment to my boss that I should get a bonus every year from the company based on the fact that every time I did not fly on one of our planes, I was saving the company money. I then suggested that I could double my contribution by flying on the competitors planes and thus costing them money. For some reason, I did not get the bonus.
                                Only now just come across this topic. I remember some years ago when i also worked for an airline. (Ansett ) i was reading somewhere that JAL (JAPAN AIRLINES) had at the time the cleanest fleet of aircraft in the world and this in turn saved them millions in fuel costs. Less drag etc.

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