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  • #16
    Re: Children and cafes

    7 could be a little annoying.

    Originally posted by 06272C2C2B31420 link=1210652095/498#498 date=1255432385
    Nor did they run around a shop and play havoc.  
    Any parent who lets their kid(s) do that, has discipline issues.

    Originally posted by 06272C2C2B31420 link=1210652095/498#498 date=1255432385
    Oh and by the way, I use the African Red Cocoa for the hot chocolate served in the shop.
    An excellent choice.

    Originally posted by 012D242427271D092B26420 link=1210652095/499#499 date=1255434512
    and they ask for the chocolate shaker
    woops, another PITA parent just crossed the line. Id be getting out my imaginary big stick and using it on them.

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    • #17
      Re: Children and cafes

      Originally posted by 4B6A6161667C0F0 link=1210652095/498#498 date=1255432385
      Maybe its not a particularly good example, but wouldnt it be strange to see Mum and/or Dad down at the local pub with the kids, ordering a beer and a beeracino for their little son or daughter?
      You wouldnt see them at the pub! But at home, mmm shandy time! I vividly remember being eight and having my first shandy. Haha~

      On another note, kids running around the shop, parents without a care in the world... Yep, definitely some lack of parenting skills right there and consideration. ;/ No doubt the toddlers were just dragged along so all these mothers can catch up with each other, instead of taking the kids out.

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      • #18
        Re: Children and cafes

        Originally posted by 614D444447477D694B46220 link=1210652095/499#499 date=1255434512
        Whats really bad is when the parents want lots of chocolate powder ontop of the babycino and they ask for the chocolate shaker and go crazy which gets the bench covered in chocolate!
        Oooh theres your mistake. Never, ever let them touch the shaker!

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        • #19
          Re: Children and cafes

          Originally posted by 767E77727872746E681B0 link=1210652095/502#502 date=1255469964
          Originally posted by 614D444447477D694B46220 link=1210652095/499#499 date=1255434512
          Whats really bad is when the parents want lots of chocolate powder ontop of the babycino and they ask for the chocolate shaker and go crazy which gets the bench covered in chocolate!
          Oooh theres your mistake. Never, ever let them touch the shaker!
          Short of connecting it to a live electrical wire, how do you stop them spreading it all over the counter? (both parents and children)

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          • #20
            Re: Children and cafes

            Originally posted by 777D7E757268657079721C0 link=1210652095/503#503 date=1255507499
            Short of connecting it to a live electrical wire, how do you stop them spreading it all over the counter? (both parents and children)
            Tell them its Health Department Regulations--Customers shall not touch the food preparation equipment. ;D

            Greg

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            • #21
              Re: Children and cafes

              Originally posted by 330E0312150013610 link=1210652095/501#501 date=1255436416
              No doubt the toddlers were just dragged along so all these mothers can catch up with each other, instead of taking the kids out.
              Look, yes, theres some Mums (and Dads) out there who blithely sit by, totally ignoring the mischief and havoc there kids are wreaking. HOWEVER, for goodness sakes, most of us are trying to do the best we can. I put as much as Ive got into my kids, I work hard at teaching them the polite way to act in café and most of the time, theyre pretty good. Sometimes, for no reason I can put my finger on, they dont co-operate. They fidget and fuss, and the little one has a penchant for the relaxing on the rug in a particular espresso bar we frequent. I usually take them home if theyve been warned and continue to carry on. But can we please remember, theyre kids! They dont exit the womb understanding social conventions. Theyre learning!

              And also, as a stay-at-home Mum who chose to give up a career to raise my kids, I really resent the implication that we dont have the right to want to catch up with each other socially. One of the things Ive found the hardest in this gig is the fact I can go for days and days without adult conversation. I take my kids out to swimming lessons, playgroup, kindy gym, preschool and a host of other activities. How dare you suggest that "mothers" that dare go out for coffee together are somehow lazy deadbeats who arent putting their kids first?! /rant.

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              • #22
                Re: Children and cafes

                Michelle, I hope I have not at all put that across here and my sincere apologies if I have.

                As much as we bitch and moan about some peoples kids...

                I totally agree with you, Michelle.

                I do love seeing mums and kids out and about and socialising together. I love that mums buy their kids "little coffees" because honestly, all you knockers of babycinos, that is what we are doing...were teaching our kids to copy our good habits! This is why you see mums teaching kids to drink little coffee and not baby beercinos or whatever you want to call them... :

                I make a point of trying to talk to the mums who come in, obviously looking harrassed to the point of needing good, strong coffee because, as a mum who was taken out of the city and into the outback with a toddler, I TOTALLY understand how a woman must have adult contact other than just with her husband. It is very important.

                When the mums leave the table in a mess, I DO understand its their only time to be able to walk away and know that someone else IS going to clean up after THEM for a change! I get that...I really do.

                Yes, not every mum is perfect and some let their kids get away with stuff that horrifies even me. However, at the same time, there is just so much we are NOT allowed to do in public any more either as parents and that is not easy with a difficult child who needs to have discipline. Lets not get into all of that here, however...

                Again, my apologies Michelle, if I have given you any offence.

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                • #23
                  Re: Children and cafes

                  Originally posted by 4A50465353270 link=1210652095/505#505 date=1255511320
                  Look, yes, theres some Mums (and Dads) out there who blithely sit by, totally ignoring the mischief and havoc there kids are wreaking. HOWEVER, for goodness sakes, most of us are trying to do the best we can
                  And thats what it comes down to I think Michelle...

                  When mums care and make an effort, I reckon kids are always welcome in cafes. When they dont and unrestrained kids run riot and endanger themselves and irritate others, thats not fair. I applaud you for helping your children to learn and removing them if they are having one of those days.  

                  We need more like you!

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                  • #24
                    Re: Children and cafes

                    Originally posted by 2E3E3232293C023A3C315D0 link=1210652095/506#506 date=1255517431
                    Again, my apologies Michelle, if I have given you any offence.
                    None at all Scoots

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                    • #25
                      Re: Children and cafes

                      Originally posted by 263C2A3F3F4B0 link=1210652095/505#505 date=1255511320
                      I work hard at teaching them the polite way to act in café and most of the time, theyre pretty good.
                      I think this is the nub of the issue, unfortunately there are parents out there who just dont instil this essential attitude in their children.
                      After all, children are just mirrors of their parents are they not?
                      I think its very healthy to have children socialise in settings such as these from an early age but the success lies squarley with the parents IMHO.

                      my 2 C.

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                      • #26
                        Re: Children and cafes

                        Originally posted by 3525292932271921272A460 link=1210652095/506#506 date=1255517431
                        all you knockers of babycinos, that is what we are doing...were teaching our kids to copy our good habits!
                        Yesterday a Mum came in for a takeaway and before she could place the order, her little daughter that was with her demanded a babycino then began jumping up and down. Hmm...great habit. I wonder where she learnt that from?

                        Mum apologetically rolled her eyes at me. So I leaned over the counter and said to the daughter, "Darl, I really cant make your cino while you jump up and down, so if youd like to sit over there (pointing to a chair) quietly Ill make Mums coffee first, then your babycino. But if you keep jumping up and down, Ill just make Mums coffee and no babycino."

                        Mum now looks at me and doesnt appear happy with what Ive just said. Daughter looks at me, then Mum, then back at me.

                        Daughter goes and sits on chair, quietly, and I say, "Thanks Darl" and make these takeaways as quick as I can then call the daughter over to collect her babycino. On her way out I asked her if she would like to take some of the green beans in the window display and plant them at home to see if they would grow. She waved goodbye to me.

                        No, Im not a better parent, and I dont live with the child 24/7, so maybe I was just lucky. Or maybe, and I prefer to think, that I mean what I say, and this little girl understood that.

                        Kids are always welcome at the shop and when I can, I make a fuss of them because I happen to like children. If I had a rug they would be welcome to lie on it all day. But I still dont enjoy making a babycino - even when I serve it with a double shot of chocolate sprinkles!

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                        • #27
                          Re: Children and cafes

                          Originally posted by 564C5A4F4F3B0 link=1210652095/505#505 date=1255511320
                          Originally posted by 330E0312150013610 link=1210652095/501#501 date=1255436416
                          No doubt the toddlers were just dragged along so all these mothers can catch up with each other, instead of taking the kids out.
                          How dare you suggest that "mothers" that dare go out for coffee together are somehow lazy deadbeats who arent putting their kids first?! /rant.
                          On some levels, what Ive said has been misunderstood and I apologise that you mis-directly took offense to what I said due to a lack of better wording, because youre a parent who enjoys going out for coffee with other parents. I completely understand your responsibilities and I am in no way ignorant of the subject.

                          However, I was not aiming this to all parents in general--only the said few who I have witnessed from time to time. I have seen my fair share of high teas and parents bringing along their children. I have seen the good and the bad.

                          So forgive me if I come off really short about this, but I need you to understand that I am in no way suggesting that every parent should not step one foot out the door without their children handcuffed to their very wrists.

                          It does bring me relief that youre strong-willed and stand for the good of what youre saying and that if you were to come to my cafe, you would obviously do what you can, even if your child was a little devil. Yet three tables down, is a parent who is chatting away as their child screams, throws forks and then eventually ends up hurting him, when he eventually manages to find a a strategic path to higher ground, only to slip and crack his head.

                          So ultimately, what I am trying to say is.. Great to hear youre a super mum! You give me faith when I see parents bring their children out; however, there will always be the other end of the spectrum.

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                          • #28
                            Re: Children and cafes

                            Originally posted by 506D6071766370020 link=1210652095/511#511 date=1255531078
                            Originally posted by 564C5A4F4F3B0 link=1210652095/505#505 date=1255511320
                            Originally posted by 330E0312150013610 link=1210652095/501#501 date=1255436416
                            No doubt the toddlers were just dragged along so all these mothers can catch up with each other, instead of taking the kids out.
                            How dare you suggest that "mothers" that dare go out for coffee together are somehow lazy deadbeats who arent putting their kids first?! /rant.
                            On some levels, what Ive said has been misunderstood and I apologise that you mis-directly took offense to what I said due to a lack of better wording, because youre a parent who enjoys going out for coffee with other parents. I completely understand your responsibilities and I am in no way ignorant of the subject.

                            However, I was not aiming this to all parents in general--only the said few who I have witnessed from time to time. I have seen my fair share of high teas and parents bringing along their children. I have seen the good and the bad.

                            So forgive me if I come off really short about this, but I need you to understand that I am in no way suggesting that every parent should not step one foot out the door without their children handcuffed to their  very wrists.

                            It does bring me relief that youre strong-willed and stand for the good of what youre saying and that if you were to come to my cafe, you would obviously do what you can, even if your child was a little devil. Yet three tables down, is a parent who is chatting away as their child screams, throws forks and then eventually ends up hurting him, when he eventually manages to find a a strategic path to higher ground, only to slip and crack his head.

                            So ultimately, what I am trying to say is.. Great to hear youre a super mum! You give me faith when I see parents bring their children out; however, there will always be the other end of the spectrum.
                            I know where ya coming from and exactly how things can be miss read...

                            Some parents do their best...May not be good, but they TRY..  Others do their best to provide a balanced experience and may not always get it right..  Some just get lucky and the kids are great  :P

                            OTHERS just dont give a rats ASS or believe that total freedom is the kids right...  Poor little buggers then do not know how to fit into the workplace and society as they do not understand boundaries etc.. Have seen parents abuse other diners and staff when they have been asked to consider other customers..  A couple of 7 year olds running and playing hid and seek but using tables and people - high class restaurant and late at night.

                            Yes ... I started it... While trying to eat and cut my food I was grabbed as one tried to use me as a shield..  Made a comment and the CHILD told me where to get off.  Needless to say, I then restrained the said little AH and along with staff spoke to the parents... We were all threatened and long story short they were finally escorted form the place...  However their comments as to Kids just being kids etc and the rest of us being dead sh!ts etc etc was what gives some parents a bad name.

                            Note: We have always tried to take our kids out and taught them respect and how to have manners... They have been shown how to eat correctly and to enjoy trying foods they have never seen or heard of B4. While they are not perfect at home... We have no concerns for when they eat out or at anothers house... In fact they get quite picky... People you talk while shoving food in and dribbling down teh chin etc is something that puts them off.. Note to self.. If want them to eat at the table must stop the dribbling ;D

                            BOT... Thus I feel for staff you may get to deal with many great customers but ONE AH can/will spoil the day.

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                            • #29
                              Re: Children and cafes

                              Originally posted by 0F323F2E293C2F5D0 link=1210652095/511#511 date=1255531078
                              Great to hear youre a super mum! You give me faith when I see parents bring their children out; however, there will always be the other end of the spectrum.
                              Im not. Im just, like most other Mums, doing the best I can. Sometimes I get it wrong. Sometimes my kids are little terrors, and nothing I say or threaten makes a lick of difference. The thing is, if you saw us on one of those days, how quick would you be to lump us with the other end of the spectrum?

                              As for the babycino thing, are they really any more annoying to make than a macchiato? But dont worry, I wont be ordering them any time soon.

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                              • #30
                                Re: Children and cafes

                                Originally posted by 526F6273746172000 link=1210652095/511#511 date=1255531078
                                It does bring me relief that youre strong-willed and stand for the good of what youre saying and that if you were to come to my cafe, you would obviously do what you can, even if your child was a little devil.
                                I try to be one of the above parents, but some days.......

                                You just order a latte and a bloody cake (for the kid) I dont do babycino ever....
                                you sit down, pour yourself a glass of water start to relax AND THEN the little darling decides (who normally is great in shops) decides to go off the deep end because you dont let her help pour the water or somthing......

                                People are staring......
                                you know they are thinking "be a better parent"
                                you just want to give your kid a good slap, but you cant because then the ones looking will ring social services.....
                                you try to reason with a 2.5 year old...../\/
                                you remind them CAKE !!! is coming soon

                                then the little brat decides to make a grab for the water......
                                your in a tug of war and you know its gonna turn bad, someones gonna get wet..... or hurt....

                                bloody hell here comes the waiter with the coffee.....

                                i start thinking "I BET that waiter puts the hot coffee down right where my kid can reach it"
                                yep they do cause they got NFI about kids.........

                                i start to wonder why i came out today......

                                lol

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