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    Are you or your company complient with the electrical ACT.

    The law requires that all electrical and gasfitting is carried out by a person who holds the relevant electrical or gas licence.

    An electrical licence is required before any electrical wiring work can be undertaken in NSW (Insert state here), regardless of the cost of the work and regardless of whether the work is residential, commercial or industrial

    All contacts can be found here - http://www.licencerecognition.gov.au/authorities.aspx


    QLD -  http://www.deir.qld.gov.au/elis/  (Electrical)

    WA -   https://bizline.docep.wa.gov.au/energysafety/public_info.cfm#cont  (electrical or gas licence)

    VIC -  http://vic.neca.asn.au/index.php/site/find_an_electrician/   ( A bit primitive/ open ended)

    NSW - http://www.fairtrading.nsw.gov.au/Consumers/Product_and_service_safety/Electrical_safety.html  (Just advice telling the hose holder / consumer that they are responsible and your electrician should give you a uniquely numbered ‘Certificate of Compliance Electrical Work’ to show the work has been tested and checked to ensure it complies with the regulations.)

    SA - http://pubreg.ocba.sa.gov.au/pubreg/pubreg_jsp/index.html

    NT - http://www.neca.asn.au/index.php/consumer_information/state_and_territory_licensingregistration_authorit ies/

    Tas -

    Will update them a little later...

    So be aware... When AM craps on about Electrical Safety... It is for a reason.

    PS. Dont go and do too much searching... You will not like what you find...

    Often the Company thinks that if their staff  have a licence it is OK...  IT is NOT... The employer is where the buck STOPS.  :exclamation


    For me.. I have seen enough shoddy work done on Coffee machines...

    They have min insulation and are exposed to lots of fluids...  When the covers are off.  IT IS LIVE WORK..

    End of rant.   For the moment.



  • #2
    Re: Are you or your company complient with teh electrical ACT.

    And remember the axiom, "ignorance of the law is no excuse". In other words, it doesnt matter if you didnt know you were breaking the law. Youre still responsible.

    Legal Squirrel

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    • #3
      Re: Are you or your company compliant with the electrical act?

      Tas: If you need to confirm that an electrical contractor is licensed you can check on line.

      Electricians as a single entity not available on line, so you will need to ring the office to do the check for you.

      http://www.wst.tas.gov.au/industries/electricity/contractor/electrical_contractor_search


      Regards



      Licensing Administrator
      Department of Justice
      Occupational Licensing Unit
      PO Box 56
      Rosny Tasmania 7018
      Phone 03 6233 7831
      Fax 03 6233 8338


      Note: NSW is currently rebuilding their data base and will have it available soon..

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      • #4
        Re: Are you or your company compliant with the electrical act?

        I believe the Act being referred to in this thread is called, "Electrical Safety Act 2002".  

        In NSW a relevant electrical licence is required to perform installation work.

        The Electrical Safety Act 2002, The Dept. of Fairtrading nor Workcover, require a person to have a licence to maintain or repair small appliances, eg. a coffee machine.  

        Workcover NSW do require a person to be "competent" when servicing appliances.  This can be achieved through assessment, having successfully completed a relevant course, or have been gained through experience.

        In NSW an example of a relevant course is offered by TAFE - a 54 hour module called "Service small appliances and power tools".

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        • #5
          Re: Are you or your company compliant with the electrical act?

          ...good thing I do my own maintenance under the hood of my old machine...AM as you say there is often min insulation and it gets old and gets gone too. I have done all my own maintenance but would stop short at changing my own element I reckon....but if its a straight swap I would consider it - ie straight swap without changing the wiring system per se. I dont expect you to agree that that is a good idea.

          Cheers

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          • #6
            Re: Are you or your company compliant with the electrical act?

            Well done AM, I have had some experience with this. Let me expand.

            Some years ago, early on a Saturday morning when I was enjoying a BBQ with a few others at our horse trainers stables, I received a phone call to tell me a junior girl (school kid) that we employed on a Saturday morning at one of our convenience stores, had electrocuted herself on our automatic coffee machine.  :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[

            The person that called me told me the ambulance had been called and was on their way. This was the worst phone call I had ever received. On my way back to our servo I had no idea whether she was dead or alive and I was absolutely distraught.

            When I arrived she was on the floor with paramedics giving her oxygen. You have no idea how I felt. When I questioned the ambo he told me she was fine and just suffering shock. I was so worked up I burst into tears and sobbed.  

            OK... what she had done was to open the machine to clean it and lost her balance with a wet rag in her hand and fell against a live connection. ZAP!!!!!

            It all worked out OK fortunately and every machine of that type had to be modified to ensure it didnt happen again.

            I had visions of being sent to jail for failure to adequately train my staff. It was a HUGE lesson.

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            • #7
              Re: Are you or your company compliant with the electrical act?

              Originally posted by 0C1910000C1717630 link=1263451711/4#4 date=1264398254
              ...good thing I do my own maintenance under the hood of my old machine...AM as you say there is often min insulation and it gets old and gets gone too.  I have done all my own maintenance but would stop short at changing my own element I reckon....but  if its a straight swap I would consider it - ie straight swap without changing the wiring system per se.  I dont expect you to agree that that is a good idea.

              Cheers
              The corporate line VS what you do is your call  

              A posts here as to people who have been lucky..  

              I am so pleased that mum2three took the old BZ99 to the Sponsor as when they plugged it in it blew the breakers etc.

              Sitting for 4 years and  who knows what has been done to it...

              The EST  I performed BEFORE turning on (as is the safest way) also confirmed a major problem...  Disconnect the elements and no insulation fault found... First port of call - Elements  :

              Also confirmed that the EM6910 was safe to go BEFORE I handed it over..

              The issue for me is often one of... If ya kill ya self .. So be it...  

              But if you kill or hurt another then it can mean serious charges and regardless of the intent and due care - No licence and you up for serious fines / jail time and the fact that you might have to live with killing an  innocent person / family member... Might just be a bit hard for some...

              Even with a licence it does not mean ya get off scot free; but one might assume that if the right processes had been carried out there may have been other issues at hand.. Then there is the insurance etc that often comes with a licence.

              Little like driving a car with No insurance and no licence..  The outcomes can be rather heavy.

              I understand and accept that it goes on...  But I do not support it..  

              Often the Company thinks that if their staff  have a licence it is OK...  IT is NOT... The employer is where the buck STOPS.  

              NOTE: NSW which has one of the most lax approaches is being brought into line..  There are work permits and places such as second hand and hire places are a major source conjecture.  Under the acts there are strict rules as to when and how often the stuff has to be tested... as well as the relevant standards.

              Many get hung up on the TERM installation..  One needs to sit with a good legal advisor and any number of ACTs and standards as they often reference each other and you have to read and reference them as a whole...


              IT IS ABOUT ELECTRICAL SAFETY - At the end of the day you need to be competent and have been assessed as such....  

              If you employ a competent person; then you become the principle contractor and thus have a responsibility under under the ACT.  A contractors lience is renewed ever year after proving your competent person; then you become the principle contractor and thus have a responsibility under under the ACT.  

              A contractors lience is renewed ever year;
              • after proving your competent person is still licensed/ assessed as competent.  In QLD and other states this means CPR every 6 months and a separate Rescue certificate, and
              • That your company still has the correct level of insurance..


              It is about Safety and payouts..  


              The NEW National requirements are being developed from the QLD and WA states... and should be starting to be rolled out and in place by late 2012 ???

              One of the issues here is a central data base and consistent  across the states.. At the moment a contractor can move state to state because it is in effect the same requirements..

              You employ / sell / manufacture / servcie etc  ( ya a company and ya insurance is current)

              But for even electricians... They have to apply for recognition between states due to diferent requirements.. very few Appliance or medical service people from NSW can work in other states and be LEGAL)  ...  A pain if ya live on the border or travel as part of ya work.


              Note: A dangerous event must be reported under the act and by law..  Little like a gun shot wound..

              What complicates it, is that it does not have to happen  ...  But a Quality approach of What IF...  Thus the investigators get in and try to determine if it can be prevented... Rather than after the fact..

              That is what some items often get recalled.. Many of the Electrical sites offer  public access to all their RECALL notices...  This is where the Dealer / Importer / Supplier and their contractors licence comes into play..  They have a duty to record events and modifications and potential safety issues and report such they can be listed etc...

              What... A person in SA gets a serious injury / killed and it is found to be poor workmanship or a bad product and it came from  NSW (without prejudice)...  Ya the worker will get a rap etc... Their employer will however, take the can and then some...  The issue of Safety has not been managed in accordance with the ACTS and other requirements. Many forget that what they sell localy or across teh phone / net can end up in a different sate.. The company providing has a responsibility to ensure teh product meet that other states requirements.. ie. Andy and issue getting the roasters all checked and tested..

              OH... Did I tell you I got 96% for my closed book exam on this subject..     Surprised the hell out of me as I also had to wright and develop Policy and work instructions that would allow medical service staff to work across Au and NZ; while remaining with in the law at all times.

              Outcome...  Any one can work on any thing they want...

              But it needs to be checked before connecting to the grid; and that person and employer needs to be performing that work as set out and defined in the many regulations...

              PS.  many do not and so many are very lucky and skirt the heavy hand of the law every day.




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              • #8
                Re: Are you or your company compliant with the electrical act?

                PART 2:

                So where does this leave the supplier / employer / worker ?   Yep with a lot of assumptions and we know where that gets you..


                Then Mr home handy man mods his Coffee machine and get a shock or killed - na lets say dead and causes a fire..  Guess who is first on the list  for the investigators.....  Yep the Supplier..

                1: Contractors licence - Insurance (comes first)
                2: Policy and procedures to manage safety
                3: Sales records
                4: Service records
                5: Web sites and publications.
                6: ETC

                WHY... Because some one will need to take the wrap and through a investigation responsibility and blame will be proportioned.

                And just like a car accident.. Very rare is it 100% one person fault..  But ya can bet ya bottom dollar the Supplier / Employer will cop the biggest hit.

                But what if;  the worker did not know / or made a mistake or did not follow the procedure.. I hear you say....

                Not good enough... TG will tell you  - Audits / training / review / monitor / check and double check.. etc etc and of course the documentation to show ya not ticking the box and doing what ya say ya doing..

                Just like Toyota / Ford / Bonsoy etc etc  The manufacturer / supplier / importer carries the can... But every one else suffers..   Well may be not in China if ya not high enough up the tree... Public executions over there for company bosses.

                PS... Done a few investigations and reports.. Dont like the  Coroners Court  and looking at workers and family struggling to come to terms with what happened and the employer not present, but his proxy is... While ya deliver the cold hard facts that often include graphic pics etc..  

                And guess what...  No matter what ya thought, and who told ya what... The judge makes the final decision.... Knowledge off,  expectations and what if; get every one, every time....

                PPS. And regardless of what they tell / teach ya... CPR on a work mate is not good and nothing worse than after 3 - 5 min ya stuffed, ya knees hurt and your not liking what ya see and hear; AND its another 10min at least before help arrives..

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                • #9
                  Re: Are you or your company compliant with the electrical act?

                  Originally posted by 7E4542594A58432D0 link=1263451711/5#5 date=1264400617
                  Well done AM, I have had some experience with this. Let me expand.

                  Some years ago, early on a Saturday morning when I was enjoying a BBQ with a few others at our horse trainers stables, I received a phone call to tell me a junior girl (school kid) that we employed on a Saturday morning at one of our convenience stores, had electrocuted herself on our automatic coffee machine.  :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[

                  The person that called me told me the ambulance had been called and was on their way. This was the worst phone call I had ever received. On my way back to our servo I had no idea whether she was dead or alive and I was absolutely distraught.

                  When I arrived she was on the floor with paramedics giving her oxygen. You have no idea how I felt. When I questioned the ambo he told me she was fine and just suffering shock. I was so worked up I burst into tears and sobbed.  

                  OK... what she had done was to open the machine to clean it and lost her balance with a wet rag in her hand and fell against a live connection. ZAP!!!!!

                  It all worked out OK fortunately and every machine of that type had to be modified to ensure it didnt happen again.

                  I had visions of being sent to jail for failure to adequately train my staff. It was a HUGE lesson.
                  That would have been the outcome of the investigations and the possibility/ likely hood of it happening again..

                  As an investigator; one often has to think of the strange things that people might do.. Then a judge will decide if it was in any way foreseeable and thus, some one takes the can..

                  Being a bit anal, and as Andy knows a kitchen that is small and thus confined...  What could happen to my machine that would potentially deliver the same / worse outcome..

                  This is all conjecture but possible... Thus until I mod my machine it is OFF limits to all.

                  [edit]SHOTGUN... do not know if I should jump for joy or cry with frustration - However Prevention is better that the other outcome.  You started it.. No I did... Bugger bugger bugger[/edit]

                  A:  My self and others use it every day
                  B:  It is in the kitchen -= access to cutlery as well as spoons(big and small for lots of reasons).
                  C:  Have one if not two milk thermometers.
                  D:  Other coffee bits around
                  E:  Machine is on legs
                  F:   Use a wet cloth to manage the steam wand
                  H:  Can be reached by kids
                  I:  We some times have dinner parties
                  J:  Milk container present
                  K:  Choc  and Chi powder close at hand
                  L:  And if one thinks enough any number of other things.


                  Any one with me yet  OR   NOT  :-/


                  1:  Just checked out the BZ99 (still here with the power cord removed) = PASS

                  2: Just checked out the S26 (almost working but would only give it 1/1 warranty..  One min or I m out side my fence line..  = PASS

                  Now for many commercials that may not be an issue...  For home use... Remember the Judge makes the call  :-X

                  3: Sunbeams  = PASS

                  4: My love of my life at the moment =  PASS  ;D ;D

                  Possible FAIL...  And if fails it is big time... Will be contacting one sponsor directly... May not be an issue  :-/   But one needs to be aware and I for one will be modifying my coffee machine this evening. - Still going to mod...

                  PS. KK is ya reading this.. May need some stuff, if I do not have enough.. Non event.

                  Note: For those in the know there is a standard test called a finger test and there is a standard brass one, that is of a specific size and bends like a real finger..  It is to test holes and access....  Dammed little kids can get in every where.

                  However some have come up with interesting methods to pass the finger test and the inspector may or may not know enough to follow up with a  supplementary test..

                  Will be back soon with my observations..  



                  OK... Sigh - I feel much better now.. Passes with conditions.... Those conditions are that the machine is maintained and maintained by some one who knows what they are doing / looking for.  A home handy man could very well introduce a potential death trap.

                  This would be the same for many other machines as well...... If not looked after or miss managed.

                  ***********************************************

                  Ok the machines that passed either had no holes in the top plate / cover or if they did, they had a second layer that meant nothing could be poked through....

                  See part two for the story...

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                  • #10
                    Re: Are you or your company compliant with the electrical act?

                    PART 2:

                    Ok AMs still on a rant... Sorry is it sound simple... But one can not always present in a manner to suit all...

                    1: Double insulated.. Most have an idea of what it is about. Well it is also an issue for connectors and terminals where people are / might be required to grasp to remove.. As part of risk management, there are requirements that should be met and the large majority do..

                    At least in the beginning.

                    Age and heat mean the insulations / spade terminal plastic covers break -melt etc etc or may just not be replaced correctly because the person doing the work does not know or understand...

                    2: How fool proof does it have to be... The judge will make the call.

                    If ya search plenty to find on it all. For eg. People under going pain management with asimple infusion pump... Dont always get teh relief they want / need.. Lets try pressing buttons every combo of button ya can think of... I mean teh pain is getting bad... Bugger... lets hold down a couple and give teh unit a thump...

                    Yes .. Sooner or later someone gets hurt... Lots of software and failsafes.. = Expensive pump.. Simple but expensive.

                    Service peopel have to do volume checks and battry changes... SO !!! Yep the liner test finishes with teh dose set to max... Unit is taken out of service mode and back to user - returned and nurse in a rush, hooks up teh patient.. YEP... Manufacturer and Service people and Nurse all face the outcomes..

                    Unit now defaults to a nominal value... Remember, min or max could just be as bad... Depending on the intent. And a sticky label covering all teh buttons is applied and it warns the user to check teh dose settings. Guess what.. Nothing is 100%

                    Coffee Machine..

                    In a bit of a rush and showing off, by not using teh milk temp probe.. Kitchen is a bit crowded with a small dinner party.. What to do with the probe... Well fancy that !!!! Cups on the heating try but TWO slots free on teh top front R/H side of my coffee machine... Perfect... (n Could be any where depending on ya machine)

                    Pull the shots.. Swirl teh milk and it is GOOD... Now for teh lata art...

                    Did I tell you that my guests have been trying for a kid for 15 years and just at that late stage in life - Presto.. A mirical child (Tasshie) and bubbly with loving parents and close family and a hand full at eight... I digress.

                    Ok... Wife wants a chock syrup on teh top and a pattern of a flower... Bugger me where is that milk thermometer..

                    Tasshie, can ya get that milk thermomitor for me please... I want to do some art like we did today for ya Anty.

                    BANG ... Tip of probe touches the spade terminal on teh power switch and that just the start of a new set of outcomes...


                    Yes, it passed teh Finger test... But an additional "USER" issue test is sometimes required..

                    TURN OFF and UN PLUG.. Assume NOTHING... If you can shine a torch in and see the internals and maybe wiring etc ???

                    THEN:

                    A: DO NOT rest small spoons or other thin metal objects on teh top... The manual may even say this... What manual ?

                    B: Use a cloth as a protector over the heating tray... Many already do

                    C: When next ya need a service or ya worried... Get teh service person to check it out and give you a signed report..

                    My unit is safe.. But will apply a small SS screen to the under side; for the two top front R/H side slots..

                    Why... Cause I am anal and the connectors show some signs of heat stress ( age and use - which is all normal and to be expected)... And a milk probe or tea spoon handle being bashed around may not be such a great idea..

                    Mind you, not sure if it would be teh machine or me that might cause the problem for teh person in question...

                    Yep..

                    Where was that IGNORE AM option

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                    • #11
                      Re: Are you or your company compliant with the electrical act?

                      UPDATE:

                      Lots of R&D being carried out by some.  Where feedback has been provided or issues identified with regards to functionality and Safety - Be it Electrical or heat etc...  I am aware that some of this gets back to the manufacturers.. And changes are being made all the time.. Thus even within one model there can be slight differences.

                      After chatting to a number of suppliers and looking further into it - I have copied, some and part of the responces..


                      "For interest I "travelled" up the line of machines in our showroom looking at the others as well as own imports.

                      <SNIP>

                      The photos are interesting, and with one machine that shall remain nameless, you can poke a screwdriver or even a spoon directly and easily onto a fully live connection.

                      <SNIP>


                      I have taken the liberty to edit the following line, for a number of reasons..

                      I am going to write to xxxxx  about it this; as part of our ongoing committment to our own R & D and commitment to safety for ALL; regardless of manufacturer / agent.

                      ************************************************** *********************************

                      In general; the following couple of paragraphs; summed up the responces.

                      I/We fully support anything...... That gets the message out to all users including CS people, to keep the  @#%& out of the internals of these machines; as they are not intended, either by the manufacturer / agent or anyone else, to have any internal "user serviceability".

                      If you think there is a chance of an electrical shock..  Then bring it to our attention  immediately.  Better to be safe than sorry and any supplier who does not take your concerns as to electrical safety on board; should not be in the business.

                      AND:

                      That unless the person seeking the advice is an electrician or qualified to work on electrical appliances, then they must not work on their own equipment and should take it to someone that is (qualified).  Advice should be by PM and not posted where unqualified person; might assume it is OK.  Many of the posts as to the BM mods, frighten the %@%$^ out of me.



                      Note: Even I, the nag as to electrical safety can see the logic in the last one (may have even been directed at me)..  Warnings etc will not exclude your complicity, should some one get hurt OR worse.


                      PS..  I have been on both sides of the bench in the Coroners court and dont want to visit again... Or just yet.

                      Stay safe...

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                      • #12
                        Re: Are you or your company compliant with the electrical act?

                        AASCA:


                        Equipment test and tagged:


                        All electrical equipment must be test and tagged for the event.

                        If you require this service at the event it will be charged at approxiamatley $10 per item at the individuals expense.

                        This is required by law.


                        It is not about the work or who done it... It is about managing Electrical Safety and is the same in all states.

                        NOTE: As an individual you may be able to test.. But to apply / affix a Tag to the lead / instrument; the company your working for mus have a contractors licence...

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                        • #13
                          Re: Are you or your company compliant with the electrical act?

                          Originally posted by 113E3735221D313E3137353D353E24500 link=1263451711/11#11 date=1264713464
                          NOTE: As an individual you may be able to test..But to apply / affix a Tag to the lead / instrument; the company your working for mus have a contractors licence...
                          Or isnt it correct that if self employed, a statement of attainment (10 hour TAFE course) presented on demand will suffice?

                          I fully agree that OHS is often overlooked or ignored and thats just not right, though I get the impression that youre advocating or suggesting that the minimum requirement repairers must have is a full electrical contractors licence?

                          Cheers!

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                          • #14
                            Re: Are you or your company compliant with the electrical act?

                            Originally posted by 537279797E64170 link=1263451711/12#12 date=1264721010
                            Originally posted by 113E3735221D313E3137353D353E24500 link=1263451711/11#11 date=1264713464
                            NOTE: As an individual you may be able to test..But to apply / affix a Tag to the lead / instrument; the company your working for mus have a contractors licence...
                            Or isnt it correct that if self employed, a statement of attainment (10 hour TAFE course) presented on demand will suffice?

                            I fully agree that OHS is often overlooked or ignored and thats just not right, though I get the impression that youre advocating or suggesting that the minimum requirement repairers must have is a full electrical contractors licence?

                            Cheers!
                            Yea.. It is so messy and mixed up it hurts ones head at times..  But it is important to say safe and out of the courts.... Or from hurting some one..


                            A simple statement and a 10 hr course may or may not suffice- depending on the work etc that may or may not be intended to be carried out and the policy and methods as defined by the employer such that their Insurance and Liability is not compromised.... And that they are still compliant with al the regs  and Acts etc that they need to carry out a legal business and meet consumer safety requirements.....

                            However it get worse than that..

                            A: As has been stated previously... Ya can work on any thing you like if it is; denergised and disconnected.

                            B: However the system must be tested and made SAFE before connecting to the grid.

                            C: You as a worker may have the skill sets / quals / ticket (what ever) but that only comes into play; under your conditions of employment and the employer must meet their commitments under the variuos Acts / regs  / etc etc.

                            All photo copier Tecs have to have a Restricted licence  Guess why...  Repairs often carried out in a place where people move around.. Testing can mean a cover might be open... ELV,LV and HV present.. And then many people might be using and touching...  Also can be considered a hostile operating environment...     Oohh  Arrr What about a coffee machine, lots of 240 / heat , with holes in the top, water and milk thermometers and spoons with long thin handles etc etc ???

                            Many get confused and do not see / understand the full picture.. Further more, many questions get posed to those on the help desk (FT or Work cover) and skip the real issue as they do not know what they dont know..  Then they get an answer that they think covers them...

                            A: Do I need to tag and test when doing repair work - NO
                            B: Do I need a license to do repair work -  NO
                            C: Can I perform this work inter state - YES
                            D: Do I need a contractors license - No

                            However... All the answers above are both correct and yet WRONG.. Not enough info...

                            One needs to be anal and very precise..  And as any legal advisor will say  - The judge will make the call.

                            Your serving and I ask you for a bag of beans / you offer them at the listed $, I accept or even haggle and leave with the goods..   A contract.

                            Your shop advertise Coffee Equipment repairs / I ask you to repair / you quote a repair / you carry out the repair / I pay and leave... A contract (May be maybe not - Did you have the authority to accept the offer and acceptance - if yes then a contract..   AS4000 / AS4001 etc etc  I ask you to come out to my place and perform a repair etc  same deal - Tis a contract..  

                            Your employer has authorised you / afforded you the authority to accept / decline under certain conditions.. Thus the employer  is engages in every day contracting.. But when that contracting involves a product that has safety risks... then the employer must meet certain requirements..

                            Be it Food / WHS for workers and those in the shop OR what the product might do to them at home...

                            ***
                            NSW - HAS THE LAW CHANGED REGARDING TESTING AND TAGGING OF ELECTRICAL
                            EQUIPMENT?
                            Yes, Simplified safety regulations for electrical equipment in the workplace were gazetted on Friday 28
                            April 2006. The Occupational Health and Safety Amendment (Electrical Equipment) Regulation 2006
                            amends the previous legislative provisions contained in the Occupational Health and Safety
                            Regulation 2001 (the Regulation). The amending regulation now specifically identifies working
                            environments where testing and tagging of electrical equipment is required, such as electrical
                            equipment used for construction work (as defined in the Regulation) and electrical equipment used in
                            other ‘hostile operating environments’.

                            The Electricity (Consumer Safety) Act 2004 requires that electrical appliances must be designed and manufactured so that they will not, in normal use, result in electric shock, injury or death to the user, or fire damage to the user’s property.

                            (While one may say - designed and manufactured - Guess what-  As a the Agent / seller / Service person; you may be complicit should you fail to maintain ensure the item is SAFE)

                            If ya company/ sole trader  etc is not set up correctly and working 100% with in the law..  You could end up loosing everything and going to jail., it all comes down to the damages and what you failed to do.

                            **********
                            A guide for retailers and importers.

                            It is important that all electrical goods in NSW are safe to use. If you are involved in selling, importing, hiring or exchanging of electrical goods it is your responsibility to ensure that they are safe to use and
                            will cause no harm.

                            *************
                            Fair Trading regularly carries out investigations in the marketplace to check for any unapproved or unsafe electrical products that are on sale.

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                            Every year in NSW people lose their lives through electrical accidents. The prevention of electrical accidents among electrical workers and the general public in NSW is an important safety objective of the Office of Fair Trading.

                            By law you must report any electrical accident where medical treatment is required, either by calling your electricity provider or the Office of Fair Trading on 13 32 20. Employers must also report such accidents to WorkCover.

                            Most accidents can be avoided if you:
                            use care and common sense
                            don’t do it yourself – get a professional to do the job
                            don’t mix water and electricity
                            use a safety switch.

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                            So clear as mud  

                            It will be clearer when we have a National system...

                            WorkCover is smart.. As they often answer with: WorkCover  does not accredit, approve or endorse any training course relating to the inspection or WorkCover does not endorse, approve or issue a licence number to a person

                            Just becaus they dont, does not mean that it is not a requirement or covered by another group.

                            QLD is all under one..  ;D  ;D  ;D  (Australia will be soon  8-) )

                            NSW has FT for Building and installations( Note - ya need to read all the regs to workout what that covers and what it does not). Workcover cover the Appliance side of things and more focused on the Workers - Not the employers or Users..

                            Then there is this:

                            Fair Tradings inspections of electrical equipment
                            Suppliers of electrical equipment are responsible for the safety of the products they sell. The Office of Fair Trading enforces activities aimed at removing unsafe equipment from the marketplace. As a result of shop inspections or complaints of equipment failure, sellers of unsatisfactory goods may also be instructed to suspend sales, recall previously sold goods or face prosecution
                            testing and tagging of electrical equipment.

                            As to a contractors Licence..

                            1: Renewed every year  ;D Why    "They want to see ya Insurance premiums are enough and paid up "

                            2: Has a Business person identified - Why - Got to know who to chase  

                            3: Has a technical person identified - Why - They have to look after the Technical issues and communicate with the Business person - so that Training and any other conditions can be met.

                            YES - They can be one in the same person...   Technical person pre requisites - Experience, idealy a restricted or higher and having completed  a number of legal studies around Contract and Electrical issues..

                            4: Workers - A range from no skills to full - may be even a Engineer  : :


                            WHY- To demonstrate Risk management and to assist the Judge make a call as to who pay for what and or looses out.

                            You can have a assembly line making coffee machines and NONE of the workers need any electrical training..  TG would have done up the documentation and work instructions etc  ;D  However before going out the building or being turned on... Some one has to make sure they are SAFE and fit for purpose..  At the end of the day- THE EMPLOYER...


                            YEP - I got 96%  Do I know it back to front - NOOOOOOOooooo

                            As stated previously - I have been on both sides of the Coroners court and it is not pleasant.  Further more when the Insurance company wipes one off... Then it is not only personal, but the injured parties suffer even more.

                            Like a car.  Insurance (drunk - Bald tires etc etc - breach of RWC) gets wiped... Un registered as well - then add in no public liability.....  It is not nice... Saw a man commit Suicide over the outcomes of just such a situation.  Thus lots of bystanders got hurt and no real resolution. A bad outcome for all.

                            But I have said enough... Those that are committed will follow up; those that dont see it as being an issue will ignore..

                            Do not see why people do not comply... NSW is easy.. http://blis.fairtrading.nsw.gov.au/__data/assets/licence_file/0006/278259/ad4534.pdf Just see page one and it lists the things a Licence will allow.. Thus with out... What can ya do ???

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                              Re: Are you or your company compliant with the electrical act?

                              Cheers for your views AM.

                              I always knew my postgrad degree in HRM, OH&S, IL and studies in Psychology and Counselling would come in handy - even especially in the coffee industry.

                              Now only if I could pour a decent rosetta! ;D

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