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  • Roasting in Aluminium? -

    A question for the experienced:

    Does roasting with an aluminium drum bear the same cautions as cooking with an aluminium pot? :-/

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    Re: Roasting in Aluminium? -

    Originally posted by 4D5B4C5E4348474C290 link=1279884970/32#32 date=1280727821
    A question for the experienced:

    Does roasting with an aluminium drum bear the same cautions as cooking with an aluminium pot? :-/
    if your talking "oldtimers" disease i dont think they ever really linked ally and it did they?
    same as cooking in a scratched teflon coated pan....
    or eating nitrates in suausges
    or just about anything you do in life....

    for SYD siders i could not find any in Auburn (main drag) today plenty of brikkas but nothing to roast with... interesting street but

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      Re: Roasting in Aluminium? -

      Originally posted by 7E687F6D707B747F1A0 link=1279884970/32#32 date=1280727821
      A question for the experienced:

      Does roasting with an aluminium drum bear the same cautions as cooking with an aluminium pot? :-/
      The concern that cooking with aluminium utensils is a contentious one and from what I understnad, came about due to findings that people with Alzheimers Disease were found to have large deposits of aluminium in the brain. Hypotheses that aluminium causes Alzheimers remains a hyotheses.

      There is evidence that consuming large quantities of aluminium is detrimental to health, and when heated to high temperatures andor combined with cooking or contact with certain foods, the aluminium leaches out into the food. Try placing a sliced tomato on aluminium foil for a little while, the lick the tomato and it will taste metallic.

      I believe that it is unlikely to cause health issues with what Id call regular household use and am and would be more concerned with what pollution for example is doing to our health.

      Personally, I dont like the idea of roasting coffee with an aluminium vessel - mainly due to the high temps required. Ultimately though, what I think is probably irrelevant as Im not a scientist, have no evidence either way, and only know what I have read on the subject.

      You need to be the judge!

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        Re: Roasting in Aluminium? -

        Originally posted by 0B2A2121263C4F0 link=1279884970/34#34 date=1280731381
        Originally posted by 7E687F6D707B747F1A0 link=1279884970/32#32 date=1280727821

        A question for the experienced:

        Does roasting with an aluminium drum bear the same cautions as cooking with an aluminium pot? :-/
        The concern that cooking with aluminium utensils is a contentious one and from what I understnad, came about due to findings that people with Alzheimers Disease were found to have large deposits of aluminium in the brain.  Hypotheses that aluminium causes Alzheimers remains a hyotheses.

        There is evidence that consuming large quantities of aluminium is detrimental to health, and when heated to high temperatures andor combined with cooking or contact with certain foods, the aluminium leaches out into the food.  Try placing a sliced tomato on aluminium foil for a little while, the lick the tomato and it will taste metallic.

        I believe that it is unlikely to cause health issues with what Id call regular household use and am and would be more concerned with what pollution for example is doing to our health.

        Personally, I dont like the idea of roasting coffee with an aluminium vessel - mainly due to the high temps required.  Ultimately though, what I think is probably irrelevant as Im not a scientist, have no evidence either way, and only know what I have read on the subject.

        You need to be the judge!
        Hi Dennis,

        I think it would be wiser to delete your reply to Jaymad as it contains so little that is factual and so much trivial, wrong and what I presume to be commercially driven.
        The facts are not that hard to find.
        One would expect that a prudent man would make some small effort to find the facts before restating so much wrong information, unless vested interest was a major factor.

        I am incensed by your post.

        Lindsay

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          Re: Roasting in Aluminium? -

          Originally posted by 2326212B3C2E363D2E4F0 link=1279884970/35#35 date=1280746110
          I think it would be wiser to delete your reply to Jaymad as it contains so little that is factual and so much trivial,
          [rant][/rant] :

          Geez....On that basis, youd delete a fair bit of the stuff that gets posted here...I am also of the opinion that there is nothing whatsoever wrong with the post...

          FWIW, I wouldnt be that keen to roast in Aluminium either- regardless of what various different groups reckon.

          Nevertheless, if an Aluminium roaster rocks your boat, go for it....thats if you can remember where you left it  ;D

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            Re: Roasting in Aluminium? -

            Originally posted by 613E26303B303C353536363E323D530 link=1279884970/36#36 date=1280746524
            FWIW, I wouldnt be that keen to roast in Aluminium either- regardless of what various different groups reckon...
            Ya... It is interesting as for many years most of teh world did little but cook and roast in soft metals... Tin/Ally/ Copper etc etc... Stainless Steal only become part of the story once it got cheep enough to mass produce..

            Doubt that the odd roast in a cheep ally pot will do much more or add significantly; to all the crap and exhaust fumes one sucks in every day going to and from work... Then add all the chemicals in the food and drink ........

            Originally posted by 17363D3D3A20530 link=1279884970/34#34 date=1280731381
            I believe that it is unlikely to cause health issues with what Id call regular household use and am and would be more concerned with what pollution for example is doing to our health.

            One day of driving in a new car with those strong plastic fumes would out perform a years worth of roasting once a week, in an ally pot

            Then again Context Vs Peer pressure Vs Google Vs Intellect

            But I guess for many, it is easer to blend in with what ever is seen as acceptable to teh masses at teh time..


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              Re: Roasting in Aluminium? -

              if your talking "oldtimers" disease i dont think they ever really linked ally and it did they?

              Have "they" ever NOT linked it with "oldtimers"?

              same as cooking in a scratched teflon coated pan....

              I wont cook even in an unscratched teflon pan!

              or eating nitrates in suausges

              Sausages!!! Your kidding eh. Cant even put sausages and food in the same sentence for mine.

              or just about anything you do in life....

              However shortened it may become....

              "It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society." --Jiddu Krishnamurti

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                Re: Roasting in Aluminium? -

                Aluminium in the diet from food and water is poorly absorbed through the gut.
                http://www.foodstandards.gov.au/scienceandeducation/factsheets/factsheets2004/aluminiuminfoodandwa2748.cfm

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                  Re: Roasting in Aluminium? -

                  Hi Lindsay,

                  People will come to their own opinion and choose whatever they want to roast in be it dog bowl, wok, Behmor, whatever... The important bit as they say is the journey.

                  Sometimes, other members will have a different opinion to yours and thats something youre going to have to get used to

                  Id suggest a revisit of the entire contents of the thread to gain a full understanding of the context rather than shooting off at the mouth.

                  In the meantime, if you hold any hard Scientific data about the behaviour of Aluminium when used at temperatures approaching 250oC in the presence of green coffee beans, please enlighten us.  :-?

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                    Re: Roasting in Aluminium? -

                    Sorry Guys I didnt know that post contained any secrets.
                    Actually which part was the secret?
                    Originally posted by 045B43555E5559505053535B5758360 link=1279884970/41#41 date=1280750711
                    In the meantime, if you hold any hard Scientific data about the behaviour of Aluminium when used at temperatures approaching 250oC in the presence of green coffee beans, please enlighten us.
                    If you wanted to know about the behaviour of aluminium or copper you could find out on the internet in minutes.

                    Here is an unedited exerpt
                    Copper toxicity is usually due to:
                    -excessive supplementation
                    -the increasingly common problem of low levels of zinc in the diet
                    -contaminated food and drinking water due to contact with metallic copper
                    -external exposures such as a copper IUD or accidental agricultural overspray
                    -elevated levels of estrogens.
                    Some stuff on aluminium.
                    http://www.abc.net.au/science/articles/2004/07/29/1163941.htm
                    http://emedicine.medscape.com/article/165315-overview

                    Facts just facts.
                    Lindsay

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                      (Note... moved the discussion about roasting in Aluminium from another thread getting dragged off topic to here)


                      Andy.

                      ...please continue to debate in a civil fashion...

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                        Re: Roasting in Aluminium? -

                        Originally posted by 6560676D7A68707B68090 link=1280727822/10#10 date=1280754446
                        If you wanted to know about the behaviour of aluminium or copper you could find out on the internet in minute
                        Agreed, and youre talking to a Chem major. Sadly, the links provided no data whatsoever on the reaction of Aluminium to heat when used in cooking (roasting).

                        Neither do we have anything on whether there is any influence on coffee chemistry and therefore in the cup? There must be something in a journal out there somewhere?

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                          Re: Roasting in Aluminium? -

                          Gee, I go away for a few hours and an aluminium war breaks out.

                          Lindsay, Im a little offended though very amused that you feel my post was influenced by commercial interests.  

                          Im also puzzled, as I eluded that there is no scientific evidence that small amounts of ingested aluminium are not detrimental to health and you have consequently corroborated.

                          The fact is that I can taste aluminium in some foods when an aluminium utensil is used for the preparation of the food, and it is for this reason that I prefer not to use it.

                          Do you really think Im the only one that can taste it?

                          If you could be a little clearer as to why you are incensed and have made such derogatory remarks then I might make some sense of your hostile remarks.

                          In relation to your references, while I have a high regard for Dr Karl I am reminded whenever he speaks, that he also wrote a thesis on navel fluff.  I prefer peer reviewed papers as contained in the following link.

                          http://www.world-aluminium.org/cache/fl0000237.pdf

                          Once you get through reading all 769 pages of it, please feel free to enlighten me with a one-page summary.

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                            Re: Roasting in Aluminium? -

                            2MCM,

                            You removed the guts out of my post, deleted a great swag, what are you fearful of, you could have proved how superior your Chem major was to mine.
                            I think we should let anyone following this (if anyone cares) know the facts (how many could there be over here off topic) those interested would be able to put two and two together or did the mention of copper trouble you.
                            Let them decide, copper the most common heavy metal toxicity, makes a handy reference dont you think as well as being topical.
                            http://www.abc.net.au/science/articles/2004/07/29/1163941.htm
                            http://emedicine.medscape.com/article/165315-overview
                            http://www.digitalnaturopath.com/cond/C514041.html
                            Or check Wiki for toxicity of aluminium and copper.
                            Originally posted by 316E76606B606C656566666E626D030 link=1280727822/12#12 date=1280755519
                            anyone
                            Originally posted by 6560676D7A68707B68090 link=1280727822/10#10 date=1280754446
                            If you wanted to know about the behaviour of aluminium or copper you could find out on the internet in minute
                            Agreed, and youre talking to a Chem major. Sadly, the links provided no data whatsoever on the reaction of Aluminium to heat when used in cooking (roasting).

                            Neither do we have anything on whether there is any influence on coffee chemistry and therefore in the cup? There must be something in a journal out there somewhere?
                            Lindsay



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                              Re: Roasting in Aluminium? -

                              Well CSrs,

                              I aspire to NEVER take myself too seriously, but not doing too well at it tonight.
                              I seem to be suffering from acute BS poisoning, it does leave a nasty taste in ones mouth.

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