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  • #16
    Re: Hi-Fi--SGR speakers anyone?

    Good cable admittedly, but is it in fact shielded  or is it just a low inductance, low impedance cable?  America has problems as the mains voltage is only a nominal 110 volt, which makes it very difficult to run high power amps - half our voltage so they would require four times the current an Australian amp would for the same power out - consequently massive power leads would be essential to minimise voltage drop and one might be justified in spending extra on a power cable, but what are you actually getting for your $1000 US a gold plated plug and socket (no arguments there) and obviously some seriously heavy duty cable (good), however at around $1000 US certainly horribly overpriced but a source of terrific profit for the manufacturer and dealer, if they can convince enough people that they need to pay that much for something that could be achieved for a few tens of dollars!

    In Australia, I cant believe multi hundred power lead would make any difference to a good amplifier (i.e. one with a well designed power supply).

    Anyway, perhaps we should leave it there this is all about coffee, after all - I will never convince you and you will never convince me.  I just dont want people thinking that everyone needs to spend hundreds and thousands on audio equipment to enjoy good quality sound.

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    • #17
      Re: Hi-Fi--SGR speakers anyone?

      I dont like crossovers

      I dont like thousands of watts per channel

      Give me a high sensitivity speaker and a handful of watts out of a tube amp and I am happy

      I build my own speakers
      KK

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      • #18
        Re: Hi-Fi--SGR speakers anyone?

        Agreed especially on the point that you dont need to spend lots of money to obtain good sound quality.

        For those who want to read 92 pages of hoopla about power cords though look at the arguments from Aussies on DTVForum: http://www.dtvforum.info/index.php?showtopic=92538 :-X

        I think a main point though is that an entire system is only as good as its weakest link. just make sure to put away enough for decent (not overtly expensive) cables and all should be good to go.

        One thing which is really overlooked is speaker positioning which is a free tweak, but it can make a big big difference.

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        • #19
          Re: Hi-Fi--SGR speakers anyone?

          Koffee Kosmo - those were the days, we thought theyd never end.  I remember the days when excellent valve amps were cheap (Leak, Quad etc) and then the new fangled transistor amps came in and ruined it all!  Days when an 8" speaker was rated at around 5 watts and it was all about efficient speaker enclosures and getting and getting a good bass response without resorting to juke box bass  where every bass note was the same frequency!

          Ah yes, I remember it well (I think)!

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          • #20
            Re: Hi-Fi--SGR speakers anyone?

            Originally posted by 77504152416C101C240 link=1301384923/18#18 date=1301463689
            Koffee Kosmo - those were the days, we thought theyd never end.  I remember the days when excellent valve amps were cheap (Leak, Quad etc) and then the new fangled transistor amps came in and ruined it all!  Days when an 8" speaker was rated at around ten watts and it was all about efficient speaker enclosures and getting and getting a good bass response without resorting to juke box bass  where every bass note was the same frequency!

            Ah yes, I remember it well (I think)!

            I still experience those days Steve

            My set up is as I noted in my post (in disguise)
            100+ db sensitivity speakers
            Tube Amp

            KK

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            • #21
              Re: Hi-Fi--SGR speakers anyone?

              Originally posted by 5A55594F5D5A5A380 link=1301384923/13#13 date=1301457574
              Greg, Ive got a reasonable theatre setup, but when setting up for audio only do you just have the two main speakers? Or is there a need for surround, centres and subs?
              Just the two main speakers. Ive tried surround sound for hi-fi music, but unless you have similar quality speakers at the rear (and often for only 10% of the sound volume) it seems to detract. I suspect most non-theatre music is actually produced for stereo.

              The TV is in another room, and I actually watch most video on my computer--24 inch full Hi-Def screen. Both unused speakers in the same room, and a TV between the front speakers can deteriorate the sound.

              Since the speakers Ill be auditioning are (basically) flat to 28 Hz. I think a sub for music would be unnecessary.

              My current speakers are down 3db at 60 Hz., so even the lowest notes on a bass fiddle or bass guitar are severely restricted.

              Greg

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              • #22
                Re: Hi-Fi--SGR speakers anyone?

                Originally posted by 193D343437370D193D213F3D520 link=1301384923/19#19 date=1301463982
                I still experience those days Steve

                My set up is as I noted in my post (in disguise)
                100+ db sensitivity speakers
                Tube Amp

                KK

                KK I will be away from computers for a week (oh bliss, oh rapture), but would love to have a chin wag with you about the finer things in life (i.e. the place for vacuum tubes in espresso machines and hifi and bass reflex versus infinite baffle and loaded horn speakers).

                If you are agreeable I will PM you when I get back, I think discussion on class A, push-pull, ultra linear and, heaven forbid, grain orientated transformers might not be too welcome here - let alone negative feedback -  essential in valve power  amps!

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                • #23
                  Re: Hi-Fi--SGR speakers anyone?

                  Originally posted by 1B3C2D3E2D007C70480 link=1301384923/21#21 date=1301473712
                  KK I will be away from computers for a week (oh bliss, oh rapture), but would love to have a chin wag with you about the finer things in life (i.e. the place for vacuum tubes in espresso machines and hifi and bass reflex versus infinite baffle and loaded horn speakers).

                  If you are agreeable I will PM you when I get back, I think discussion on class A, push-pull, ultra linear and, heaven forbid, grain orientated transformers might not be too welcome here - let alone negative feedback - essential in valve power amps! Wink

                  I am up for a chinwag
                  PM me when you get back and we can trade email addresses
                  We can also expand our discussions into vinyl rigs & DACs as well

                  KK

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                  • #24
                    Re: Hi-Fi--SGR speakers anyone?

                    Originally posted by 72565F5F5C5C6672564A5456390 link=1301384923/22#22 date=1301477640
                    PM me when you get back
                    Will do

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                    • #25
                      Re: Hi-Fi--SGR speakers anyone?

                      Greg,

                      Im also with the two speaker class.
                      A live performance utilizes a stage in front of an audience, so a good pair of speakers will faithfully transmit a sound stage in a way that the speakers "disappear".

                      Those who watch movies rely on effects speakers to transmit sound effects from passing helicopters and gunshots etc.

                      Power line filters, well shielded interconnects and speaker cables together with well designed and engineered components all contribute to preserving the sound stage. The least interference to the signal path, the better the sound.

                      You can spend $10,000 on a modest sound system or $250,000 on a extravagant superbly engineered pre and power amp, turntable and pair of loudpeakers.
                      When you are in cloud nine over the sound and you can listen to it in toe tapping fatigue free for hours, that is the system for you.

                      Some of them here have already given you their opinion of SGR.

                      Speaking as an audiophile, if SGR can put together a system you are totally happy with, and it produces a sound that rivals systems that costs many more, then i say go for it.
                      I like the fact you mentioned their loudpeakers are made locally, which means the value should be good.

                      There are also some very very good loudspeaker manufactures in SA Greg, and you should not discount them.

                      Gary at G

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                      • #26
                        Re: Hi-Fi--SGR speakers anyone?

                        Some wonderful audio tweaks to be found here.... :
                        http://www.ilikejam.org/blog/audio/audiophile.html

                        Of course, none of this has any actual basis on genuine engineering principles and physics - More to do with the gullibility of people with plenty of money and little or no qualifications in the appropriate disciplines...

                        Mal.

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                        • #27
                          Re: Hi-Fi--SGR speakers anyone?

                          That link made me laugh Mal ;D

                          "Can you spare $6,820 for a volume control?" This was my favourite one.

                          I once was gullible and young enough to buy a set of CD labels that claimed to reduce the resonance of spinning cds, so that was my $59 down the drain for no sound improvement.

                          My advice is the same for anyone buying a coffee machine/grinder or amp, player and speakers
                          Selecting a good dealer is a good start.
                          They should be capable of helping you select components fit for your needs.

                          I like the fact that Greg is able to either be taken to audition in the comfort of their home without any pressure, or hes able to audition them at his own home if he wants to.

                          Gary at G

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                          • #28
                            Re: Hi-Fi--SGR speakers anyone?

                            SGR speakers are great. Those top of the line ones are hand built here in Australia and has a fair waiting list. Once you see them in the flesh, the build process and the finish, you will understand the asking price.

                            Also consider you are getting all the amps, x-overs and pre amp in that asking price.

                            I purchased a pair over B&W 802D which i auditioned in home



                            definately audition a pair of you get a chance

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                            • #29
                              Re: Hi-Fi--SGR speakers anyone?

                              Originally posted by 69737E7F6D7B6369691A0 link=1301384923/24#24 date=1301493021
                              There are also some very very good loudspeaker manufactures in SA Greg, and you should not discount them.

                              Gary at G
                              Thanks Gary,

                              Already done that, and no joy.

                              While some of their products have great frequency response, none (so far) has been able to match the chills on the back of my neck that a number of my test songs reliably give me.

                              I did get these chills from a nice pair of ProAc speakers a couple of years ago, but they were only better than my current Linn speakers in the imaging, and to get there they had to be placed at least 3-4 feet from the wall. That is not something I was happy to do, and I would first have to check that the Linns didnt do as well when placed similarly. 

                              The ProAcs also had no more extended bass range than the Linns, at least under the listening conditions, so in the end they were a no-go.

                              Im keeping my fingers crossed over the SGRs cause my amp is now over 15 years old and may need the capacitors replaced. With 340,000 uf and all matched for response, this will be expensive! Shipping to FNQ is not cheap either.

                              Greg

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