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  • Whats the deal with shunning grey imports? A rant.

    I see it so often. A question is asked if such and so machine can be imported and how that would work. And out of the woodwork pop the guardian angels warning of the pitfalls: No warranty, no support, not allowed, not standardised and youll burn your house down.

    Having relocated from Europe to USA to Europe to the Middle East to Australia and having taken with me on my various travels a whole menagerie of electrical devices, I cant see the problem. You can burn your house down with a cigarette lighter bought at the corner shop if youre so inclined. If you leave your locally sourced roaster unattended, you can burn your house down with that just the same as you can burn your house down with an imported one. Never heard such hyperbole.

    All this nonsense about Australian Standards makes me puke. So we Australians (all 23million of us) know it better than 250 million US Americans or 450 million Europeans? The only result is that everythings way more expensive than it has to be. Because importers have to jump through hoops to get the devices, be they coffee machines or roasters or motorcycle helmets or pretty much anything you can think of localised i.e. tested for compliance with the Australian Standards.

    Why not adopt CE standard and share the efficiencies of a market thats 20 times the size of ours? Why insist on these silly flat-pinned power plugs, in every respect inferior to the round-pinned Euro plug design? Why force manufactures to run the gauntlet of standards testing for a market that supports 100 maybe 1000 units of a product?

    Stupid protectionist economic politics trying to protect an uncompetitive market that possibly doesnt even produce the product (Australian made domestic coffee roaster, anyone?) and thus competes with none other than the own population.

    We need to cut that Australian Standards crap and we can reduce taxes by 10%. At least.

    Now that made me feel better. :

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    Re: Whats the deal with shunning grey imports? A rant.

    Well, glad you feel better.

    However, I think most of the caution that is preached is due to the fact that many of these items are not like-for-like items.

    The Standards stuff is not really crap when it is there to ensure that we dont just plug a 110v rated machine into 220v and hope for the best.

    Personally, if people want to go down the grey import path themselves, then they can go for it, but people are entitled to hold a contrary opinion!

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    • #3
      Re: Whats the deal with shunning grey imports? A rant.

      Originally posted by 263E3F3A25353E3A560 link=1326694090/0#0 date=1326694090
      All this nonsense about Australian Standards makes me puke.
      They sometimes exceed CE and its often a good thing. With the Quest for example, youd be crazy to operate one as they leave the manufacturer. We also have vastly different retail laws and a much smaller population- resulting in different cost structures.

      Originally posted by 766E6F6A75656E6A060 link=1326694090/0#0 date=1326694090
      Why not adopt CE standard...
      Sure. While were at it, we could opt in on the Euro as well. Seriously, though whilst it would be a bonus, there are too many other hoops not related to compliance.

      I hope you have in mind that on average, 10% of your family and friends work in retail. Surely you wont mind kicking in an extra 10-15% of your earnings in tax to cover their dole payments in a few years. Its only fair and they will be looking to you...  :-?

      Originally posted by 2C2B3E282533157B7373734A0 link=1326694090/1#1 date=1326694403
      However, I think most of the caution that is preached is due to the fact that many of these items are not like-for-like items.
      Yeppers fb, its the one this that the self-appointed eggspurts continue to ignore. Now wheres that $70k Porsche. Its what they pay in the US... :

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      • #4
        Re: Whats the deal with shunning grey imports? A rant.

        Youve got two very seperate point sof discussion in your post.

        1 is the negative attitude towards grey imports and the other is the approval process for products imported into Australia.

        If you cant understand why some of the members on this site are anti grey imports then hand in your coffeesnobs membership card now and delete this site from your bookmarks :

        As far as the "australian Standards" arguement goes, Im pretty sure most members would support accepting the US or EU standards for products sold here be it coffee machines or automobiles.

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        • #5
          Re: Whats the deal with shunning grey imports? A rant.

          Now Im not one for paying tax and I always like a good deal on a retail item but I think you may be a bit misguided here. It reminds me of a Spanish fellow I work with who is always saying "we pay to much tax, we pay to much rates, car rego is to dear, petrol cost to much, its cheaper in Europe, Spain is a lot cheaper to live. No one pays tax in Italy or Spain or Greece." Why arent you living there? I ask, no tax but look at the state of the place, its a basket case. Australia is only a small market but it will grow. I notice the difference now to 20 years ago when you would be lucky to see a coffee machine in a department store let alone specialist retailers. I have bought grey market but always try to buy locally. If we do not support our small business then we too will end up like Europe.

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          • #6
            Re: Whats the deal with shunning grey imports? A rant.

            Have to agree with Philschl, have imported many electrical items from the US over the years at massive savings and not a single problem, while its legal I will continue to do so.
            Too many layers (middlemen) in the Aust system trying to take a slice from the pie.
            My money, my choice as to where I spend it (I wont be dictated to by anyone) and my problem, if the wheels fall off so be it.

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            • #7
              Re: Whats the deal with shunning grey imports? A rant.

              maybe Im not seeing it, but Im thinking theres a lot of people out there who are driving 20 miles just to save three cents on petrol.

              Seriously, Support your local retailers, Theyre good blokes, They know what theyre talking about, And they MIGHT actually save you some money/running around because they have some experience/advice that will stop you from spending hidden costs (like import taxes on items over a certain price being one example)

              If we dont support them, Theyll be forced to shut up shop, Then NOBODY would be able to get their advice/help/knoweledge/gear, Because Thats how capitalism works, Its weighted towards the big guys earning more money, and the little guy either being pushed out, or being bought out.

              Ive already seen this happen to one passion of mine, I dont want to see it happen to another. :-/

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              • #8
                Re: Whats the deal with shunning grey imports? A rant.

                Originally posted by 173A2E3C3332353C1A2F1D3A2F3E5B0 link=1326694090/6#6 date=1326718908
                Theyll be forced to shut up shop
                I dont see a problem with that, the good ones will survive, those that cant make the grade will fall by the wayside.
                There will always be another ready to fill the gap if the need is there.

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                • #9
                  Re: Whats the deal with shunning grey imports? A rant.

                  *ring ring....ring ring....

                  "Good (insert time of day and company name)........(insert my name) speaking"

                  "Hello mate, I bought this XYZ from (insert vendor and/or country here) and....(insert item here) is missing/broken/faulty. I am hoping you can help me out?

                  Believe me, somebody tries it on every few days. This style of call now precipitates a bout of amnesia and/or chronic deafness as well as being interrupted by severe telco static and dropouts... :

                  I see a future of "yeah sure, but Ill need your credit card details....The charge for favours is $X/min or part thereof...."

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                  • #10
                    Re: Whats the deal with shunning grey imports? A rant.

                    Originally posted by 487A756F7A776E761B0 link=1326694090/7#7 date=1326719829
                    Originally posted by 173A2E3C3332353C1A2F1D3A2F3E5B0 link=1326694090/6#6 date=1326718908
                    Theyll be forced to shut up shop
                    I dont see a problem with that, the good ones will survive, those that cant make the grade will fall by the wayside.
                    There will always be another ready to fill the gap if the need is there.
                    No, Youre wrong, This is not what happened when the store I was getting my other stuff closed up shop, There was not the market locally for him to survive, and he couldnt survive on the internet due to grey imports. And NO ONE ELSE desired to sell/stock the products he was selling because "it obviously didnt sell" (gee, I wonder why that was?)

                    However, his was the ONLY store in the CBD that carried the product I was buying, I now have to search high and low to find it, or spend money to an offshore company that dont offer advice or information about the products I want.

                    Im still angry about the whole affair, Boutique shops deserve to survive because they offer an alternative to the bigger popular shops. If they can make a profit selling gear that is Not available from other shops, They deserve Every chance they can get

                    I suppose youd be happy to have the local cafe pushed out of business by starchucks or Glorified Beans because they offer the same product for less

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                    • #11
                      Re: Whats the deal with shunning grey imports? A rant.

                      I really fear that the uneven playing field with regulations, taxes, warranty and the requirement for distribution networks will bring about the downfall of retail in Australia and redundancy for a significant proportion of the 10% employed in the retail sector. We will all be supporting them unless we send everyone to the mines I guess :

                      You will buy your espresso gear from similar names, but based in the EU and offering the same service: i.e- heres your box mate. You can ship it back to us in Romania if it requires repair. Its easy enough to do.

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                      • #12
                        Re: Whats the deal with shunning grey imports? A rant.

                        Hello philschl

                        Where were you when an insurance company tried to hold me liable for more than $80k worth of fire, smoke, and heat damage caused by an electrical fault in a pedestal fan just a few years ago?

                        You could have saved me so much time and angst, dealing with forensic investigators, insurance representatives, and lawyers for 4 months while I tried desperately to salvage my business from ruin.

                        I hope you will never be in a similar situation and you continue to enjoy the view through your rose coloured glasses.

                        Originally posted by 372F2E2B34242F2B470 link=1326694090/0#0 date=1326694090
                        So we Australians (all 23million of us) know it better than 250 million US Americans or 450 million Europeans?
                        Based solely on economic comparisons Id say the answer to that is, "yes".

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                        • #13
                          Re: Whats the deal with shunning grey imports? A rant.

                          Originally posted by 062B3F2D2223242D0B3E0C2B3E2F4A0 link=1326694090/9#9 date=1326744706
                          There was not the market locally for him to survive
                          I rest my case, he should never have opened in the first place. :

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                          • #14
                            Re: Whats the deal with shunning grey imports? A rant.

                            Originally posted by 7F4D42584D4059412C0 link=1326694090/7#7 date=1326719829
                            Originally posted by 173A2E3C3332353C1A2F1D3A2F3E5B0 link=1326694090/6#6 date=1326718908
                            Theyll be forced to shut up shop
                            I dont see a problem with that, the good ones will survive, those that cant make the grade will fall by the wayside.
                            There will always be another ready to fill the gap if the need is there.
                            Not quite sure I follow,  If you are saying that buying overseas is the way to go and you dont have an issue with local business closing down if they cant compete, why on earth would anyone come along and "fill the gap if the need is there"

                            If everything is being purchased OS there is no need!  No need, no local business, no local business no jobs for the retail workers.

                            The extra money isnt in the margins and profits, it is in the taxes, duties and cost of compliance so the local seller isnt being greedy and cant lower prices even if he wants to. 

                            We live in a small population and if we dont support our own then who will?

                            It is a personal choice and you are entitled to yours, its just the theory that more local shops will open up if others close seems flawed if you are buying everything overseas.

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                            • #15
                              Re: Whats the deal with shunning grey imports? A rant.

                              Originally posted by 653A22343F3438313132323A3639570 link=1326694090/8#8 date=1326734210
                              I see a future of "yeah sure, but Ill need your credit card details....The charge for favours is $X/min or part thereof...."
                              Surprised that you dont already do this Chris for non existing customers.

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