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  • #31
    And finally the finished article..
    ..complete with glass side panels so you can see the shiny bits inside



    These shiny bits ...

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    • #32
      And the QuickMill Achille 0996 will be hitting the Australian market soon by a CS Sponsor.

      Here's the specs.

      - Professional lever group;
      - 4,5 lts. copper boiler - Automatic recharge;
      - Boiler with electronic niveau fill probe;
      - Niveau glass;
      - Stainless steel anti-burn steam nozzle;
      - Stainless steel anti-burn water nozzle;
      - Volumetric pump - Professional thermostat;
      - Certificated safety valve;
      - Safety system with pump and heater stop;
      - External rechargeable safety thermostat;
      - Stainless steel cup warmer;
      - Switch for use with water tank / direct water connection;
      - 3 lts. water tank;
      - Manomer to see the pressure in the boiler;
      - Direct water discharge in the drip tray;
      - With 1 and 2 exits filter holder.

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      • #33
        For those that havent already caught up with it, this is the final product & the man behind it.
        Neat video..
        LONDINIUM I: a short film from Londinium Espresso

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        • #34
          looks like ol' Reiss went overboard on production costs and blew the PR budget.... that was truly cringe-worthy.

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          • #35
            Originally posted by coffee_machinist View Post
            looks like ol' Reiss went overboard on production costs and blew the PR budget.... that was truly cringe-worthy.
            hehe....and the cup guard budget!

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            • #36
              It probably is a very nice machine. Somehow, and bear in mind that I am a complete Lever fan, it doesnt quite have everything nailed down. It is a machine that has been designed to fulfill one mans concept of what a Lever pull should be, and in that regard, Im sure it has succeeded, but it doesnt float my boat.

              Its a commercial machine period. Looks commercial, as big as a commercial and feels like a commercial. Good luck with talking the lady of the house into having it in her kitchen on a work counter when the unit is almost the same depth. It takes up an inordinate amount of space and eye room in the kitchen, and if you have a modest unit, it kinda just sits there glowering at you.

              I would have prefered to have seen more of the brass work utilised in design on the outside (to break up the acres of S/S look) of the machine, perhaps even given it the once over Italian designer concept. As I have no interest in seeing the interior, which just sits there doing nothing anyways, Had there been moving parts and escapes of steam and this and that. Id have considered it, I would go for the S/S sides. So now I have this box which sits on the work surface looking like, well a box with a lever and other protusions on the front.

              I also dont like the handle. Its circa early Dick Smith to be functional, great for the job but..... I want to feel smoothness in my pull, under my fingers, not various thicknesses of material..

              Is this nit picking? Of course it is... Its my money, and it doesnt quite look like it would get the seal of approval to go in a home environment. Would I put it in my restaurant or coffee shop? Again.. it depends on whether I wanted it on display as a feature or not. I would see me having a more expressive casing for it to slide into, and then the whole purpose of it has been defeated.

              Would I buy it? No heat rack, no WoW factor, expensive ish... big... no woman appeal...

              Not yet.

              And please remember, this is my opinion. Opinions are like noses, everyone has one. Doesnt make me right, just makes my wallet stay closed.

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              • #37
                Originally posted by garyw View Post
                It probably is a very nice machine. Somehow, and bear in mind that I am a complete Lever fan, it doesnt quite have everything nailed down. It is a machine that has been designed to fulfill one mans concept of what a Lever pull should be, and in that regard, Im sure it has succeeded, but it doesnt float my boat.

                Its a commercial machine period. Looks commercial, as big as a commercial and feels like a commercial. Good luck with talking the lady of the house into having it in her kitchen on a work counter when the unit is almost the same depth. It takes up an inordinate amount of space and eye room in the kitchen, and if you have a modest unit, it kinda just sits there glowering at you.

                I would have prefered to have seen more of the brass work utilised in design on the outside (to break up the acres of S/S look) of the machine, perhaps even given it the once over Italian designer concept. As I have no interest in seeing the interior, which just sits there doing nothing anyways, Had there been moving parts and escapes of steam and this and that. Id have considered it, I would go for the S/S sides. So now I have this box which sits on the work surface looking like, well a box with a lever and other protusions on the front.

                I also dont like the handle. Its circa early Dick Smith to be functional, great for the job but..... I want to feel smoothness in my pull, under my fingers, not various thicknesses of material..

                Is this nit picking? Of course it is... Its my money, and it doesnt quite look like it would get the seal of approval to go in a home environment. Would I put it in my restaurant or coffee shop? Again.. it depends on whether I wanted it on display as a feature or not. I would see me having a more expressive casing for it to slide into, and then the whole purpose of it has been defeated.

                Would I buy it? No heat rack, no WoW factor, expensive ish... big... no woman appeal...

                Not yet.

                And please remember, this is my opinion. Opinions are like noses, everyone has one. Doesnt make me right, just makes my wallet stay closed.
                Welcome to CS. Great first post.
                Buy a Cremina.
                I and many others that I have talked with like this machine. It is not perfect, but very few machines are. If you do not like it no one is twisting your arm to buy it. If you think you can bring a better machine to market and make a buck out of it, go ahead, I do not see hoards of people rushing to do this. You seem to have a bug up your backside with Reiss and his concept. He is forking out the bucks so he is making the decisions. If you don't like his design do not buy it. A first post that does nothing but bag a product that many see as a solution they have been waiting for, is poor form.
                The commercial aspect and look of this machine is its major attraction. It is not a glorified show pony, but a concept based on a proven lever group that delivers the goods. I know what this group is capable of and enjoy espresso from a Bosco every day. If you want a machine to deliver the goods you have to base it on a large lever group. Other machines in this class as mentioned above, all look similar. If you want a pretty toy there are plenty of overpriced toys on the market. The people that this machine is marketed at, want a work horse with minimal maintenance.
                I see no need for a cup rail, but that is my preference. The handle is standard on a multitude of machines. The biggest flaw in your entire post is your whinge about the price. You obviously have no idea on what lever machines sell for, as this is the best priced unit on the market. At circa $2500 it has no competitors in its class. Many have been wanting a lever at this price, and can now obtain one. If you want Reiss to make the changes you so dearly desire, contact him, open your wallet and put your money where your mouth is. I am sure he can custom build a unit to your specifications.

                Reality check people. If you do not like the machine buy something else. If you want a lever at a good price that will make great espresso, here is your solution. If your wife does not like the machine, trade HER in for a newer model....problem solved.

                Personally, I would love to see lever machines built to the designs used in the 1950's (eg Gaggia), but fear that the demand is way too small and the cost too high to make this feasible. The commercial lever market is small and mainly evident in southern Italy. In commercial environments there are very few lever machines in operation. I think we are very fortunate that we now have three machines to choose from for the home market. [Others like the Cremina are in a different class]. If these do not satisfy your needs for the perfect lever home machine, build your own. I would rather buy one and enjoy the coffee.

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                • #38
                  I guess thats the last time garyw will express an opinion on the forum...lol..nice work bosco.....

                  Gary thanks for highlighting your thoughts its always good to hear alternative views on what appeals to different people...and welcome to CS

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                  • #39
                    HI Bosco

                    Im sure if it were a car, your opinions would be wide and varied. The fact that there are limited options available for lever pulls, what is it, 3? you feel I should be grateful for the choice?

                    I made an opinion, and it seems somewhat similar regarding styling in preference of a design to yours., and you call it poor form and a whinge regarding aspects of my comment. Lol.. Go design your own etc...

                    Firstly, I stated, Im sure it is a very nice machine. Secondly, Australia pays through the nose for all things imported, electrical and otherwise, what with import duty and GST etc so you guys are hit in the wallet hard. This will be moderately priced for you...

                    Secondly, your condescension regarding my comments are wasted. You responded from your personal viewpoint and opinion, the same as I wrote from, and somehow managed to re iterate all the points I made. Kinda redundant.

                    Its not perfect. I said that.
                    He made it, he called the shots. I said that.
                    The lady of the house wont go for it.. your solution is to change the lady. Hmm.
                    Dont buy it.. you know, I said that too.

                    You dont know me Mr Bosco, and if you dont like an opinion that more or less agrees with your own, but feel you have to rip it apart... it really is a waste. Im perfectly aware of what it costs to make a machine, and Im perfectly aware of how to make a machine.

                    So thanks for your welcome, that was appreciated, and thanks for agreeing with my post. I hope you have a pleasant evening.

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                    • #40
                      Welcome to CS garyw and well said, might I say. It's a shame that your quite obviously qualified statements were pounced on, but I guess that's the nature of the web!
                      For me I agree with Andy, it's a fugly machine. And the video was a load of poorly produced, narcissistic so 'n so, he could have done a voice over and shown less (none) of himself reading the script and more of the machine doing all of it's stuff, I might have dozed off during the enthralling presentation........ did I miss the steam wand demo? and what's with using water from the machine to heat cups? aren't we supposed to be building machines with smaller carbon footprints? using the latent heat of the machine casing has been around well before we heard of carbon pricing, so why the backward step? I wouldn't be putting my ACFs on it.
                      A question for those who have actually seen this machine......... is there any venting for internal heat to escape? The proximity of heat and electrics is damaging over time and hard to avoid in 1 group machines and although it's a lever it still has circuitry. Might get mighty hot.............good for heating cups tho'!!
                      Last edited by chokkidog; 25 November 2012, 12:12 AM. Reason: missing word

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                      • #41
                        My favourite was the close-up of the extraction, complete with channelling and a massive dead spot. Could they not do another take...?

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                        • #42
                          GaryW 2 Bosco_Lever 0.

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by chokkidog View Post
                            Welcome to CS garyw and well said, might I say. It's a shame that your quite obviously qualified statements were pounced on, but I guess that's the nature of the web!
                            For me I agree with Andy, it's a fugly machine. And the video was a load of poorly produced, narcissistic so 'n so, he could have done a voice over and shown less (none) of himself reading the script and more of the machine doing all of it's stuff, I might have dozed off during the enthralling presentation........ did I miss the steam wand demo? and what's with using water from the machine to heat cups? aren't we supposed to building machines with smaller carbon footprints? using the latent heat of the machine casing has been around well before we heard of carbon pricing, so why the backward step? I wouldn't be putting my ACFs on it.
                            A question for those who have actually seen this machine......... is there any venting for internal heat to escape? The proximity of heat and electrics is damaging over time and hard to avoid in 1 group machines and although it's a lever it still has circuitry. Might get mighty hot.............good for heating cups tho'!!
                            Thanks for the welcome chokkidog.

                            The opinion presented, was meant to be an objective one which, if I were the manufacturer, would be considered as given, and either dismissed or parts of it thought about. NOTHING is more useless than saying, "we dont have much choice, they all look the same, buy it or not."

                            I choose not to purchase it for the reasons stated. Im one customer lost. It might be because Im a dickhead, or it might be because I have a valid viewpoint. In any event, Im not going to be an owner. Does it matter that it makes good coffee? yes it does. Does it matter that I have concerns that it will not complement a domestic setting? well I think it does... and unlike some, the opinion of the woman of the house, matters more than the visuals of a machine that I dont care for to start with, but will have because its this or nothing.

                            There are heaps of choices of Lever machine available from Spain or Italy. A few have been through my hands. Im not stuck for Lever machines, Im stuck for a domestic one that hits the criteria. I can go right now and buy a British made single lever machine that looks similar, a little cheaper and has an amazing service dept. I can even get it dual powered for a touch more money.

                            Anyhows. As far as this thread goes, there is nothing more I can contribute to it other than repeat, it doesnt float my boat. I will be viewing the machine at some point, either in the showroom or at a trade show, but Im not going out of my way to do so. My reasons stand and thats about all I can say.

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                            • #44
                              So I watched it again, this time I didn't doze off!! Yes, it is vented, sort of, at the rear, you can see it when the machine is backlit, early in the vid.
                              C_M ....... do another take on the shot? yeah, they could've done take two on the milk pour as well and for a video made in 2012, why would you sit next to a bag of green with crop 2010 in such plain view? Gives your bean clients much needed confidence, I guess. (!!) :-0

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                              • #45
                                Hmm ? .. not much love in this thread lately..
                                Niggle at the machine design
                                niggle at each other
                                niggle at the pro mo video
                                niggle at the man in the video
                                another go at each other

                                infact,..looking back on this forum, there has been mostly negativity towards the L1 from day 1 ...I wonder why ?
                                If it lives up to its makers claims, there could be a lot of humble pie to be eaten...
                                ..and of course it could cause a few issues in the mid -top end espresso m/c retail trade.

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