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  • #76
    People seeking a lever machine for a domestic environment are generally looking to improve their quality of coffee in the cup. It is not their first espresso machine, and they seek a machine that has been well engineered and constructed. To achieve this they seek commercial quality in a smaller package to fulfill a domestic footprint. They appreciate the work that people like Kees van de Westen and Attilio Bosco have done to achieve a machine able to produce outstanding espresso. Currently there are three machines in this class for people to choose from. In the commercial segment there are numerous single group machines to choose from, but they have to be plumbed in. A major deal breaker for many. Clarity and quality in the cup is one of the major deciding factors for this group of people. Most of them have also gravitated to other coffee sites where others share their passion.

    Essentially all espresso machines are stainless steel boxes with a group head (be it lever or E61) bolted to it. They all look boxy and have no resemblance to the machines of old. Kees will not produce a single group lever, and even if he did, it would probably be in the price range of a Speedster, which is out of reach for many enthusiasts. To argue one stainless steel box is uglier than another is something I will leave to others. The Fracino machine put forward as an option is a commercial machine. It is their factory which is producing the Londinium 1 for Reiss. They do have a distributor in my neck of the woods, but their presence in the market is very tiny. The reason for this is obvious. As to looks it is my (and to be honest, quite a few others) opinion, that the Fracino was beaten mercilessly with the ugly stick.

    While disliked with a passion here, the L1 is developing quite a following on all the other coffee forums. I look forward to reading the reviews of the L1 elsewhere. I will now get back to my so called misogynist ways ( a phrase frequently used by lying inept rangas), raping and pillaging our country of its natural resources. My colleagues and I enjoy exceptional espresso at my home whilst indulging in our favourite pastime of pommy bashing.

    Cheers.

    PS: Chris I do need a soap box, I am not vertically challenged.

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    • #77
      Without pulling any quotes, you have to appreciate the irony. Talk up a machine you don't know, criticise another you don't know on precisely the same features, bad-mouth someone you don't know.

      We're starting to see a pattern here....

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      • #78
        Originally posted by Bosco_Lever View Post
        People seeking a lever machine for a domestic environment are generally looking to improve their quality of coffee in the cup. It is not their first espresso machine, and they seek a machine that has been well engineered and constructed. To achieve this they seek commercial quality in a smaller package to fulfill a domestic footprint. They appreciate the work that people like Kees van de Westen and Attilio Bosco have done to achieve a machine able to produce outstanding espresso. Currently there are three machines in this class for people to choose from. In the commercial segment there are numerous single group machines to choose from, but they have to be plumbed in. A major deal breaker for many. Clarity and quality in the cup is one of the major deciding factors for this group of people. Most of them have also gravitated to other coffee sites where others share their passion.

        Essentially all espresso machines are stainless steel boxes with a group head (be it lever or E61) bolted to it. They all look boxy and have no resemblance to the machines of old. Kees will not produce a single group lever, and even if he did, it would probably be in the price range of a Speedster, which is out of reach for many enthusiasts. To argue one stainless steel box is uglier than another is something I will leave to others. The Fracino machine put forward as an option is a commercial machine. It is their factory which is producing the Londinium 1 for Reiss. They do have a distributor in my neck of the woods, but their presence in the market is very tiny. The reason for this is obvious. As to looks it is my (and to be honest, quite a few others) opinion, that the Fracino was beaten mercilessly with the ugly stick.

        While disliked with a passion here, the L1 is developing quite a following on all the other coffee forums. I look forward to reading the reviews of the L1 elsewhere. I will now get back to my so called misogynist ways ( a phrase frequently used by lying inept rangas), raping and pillaging our country of its natural resources. My colleagues and I enjoy exceptional espresso at my home whilst indulging in our favourite pastime of pommy bashing.

        Cheers.

        PS: Chris I do need a soap box, I am not vertically challenged.
        Given your apparent inability for comprehension, along with a ineptness in the sarcasm dept, I have to question whether or not you would know an exceptional espresso if it dribbled from your mouth whilst talking and writing shite. Dont mind me, Im not a pommy, but then, it becomes more apparent that you you are not gifted in the homework department on any subject so far that you have discussed.

        Im going to leave you with your colleagues doing what you are good at (see above), and will continue to look elsewhere for rational and constructive and accurate information to glean what knowledge I can from informed sources, and exchange what information I have that may be of use to them. It obviously will be of no benefit to you. People can tell you things, but they cant tell you much.

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        • #79
          Originally posted by MarkZammit View Post
          This is an amusing thread.

          Don't think I've ever seen so many passionately defended opinions about a machine people are not interested in.
          I agree. I have purchased this machine based on all the imformation I have read. I think this machine will suit me and think it is good value for money. I thought long and hard about waiting until this machine was in the marketplace for a while and fully tested. But hell lifes to short. Hopefully I will get a lot of enjoyment and good coffee out of the Londinium. If I've made the wrong decision so be it. I've put my faith in Reiss and his dream and wish him all the best.

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          • #80
            Originally posted by Stuffa View Post
            I agree. I have purchased this machine based on all the imformation I have read. I think this machine will suit me and think it is good value for money. I thought long and hard about waiting until this machine was in the marketplace for a while and fully tested. But hell lifes to short. Hopefully I will get a lot of enjoyment and good coffee out of the Londinium. If I've made the wrong decision so be it. I've put my faith in Reiss and his dream and wish him all the best.
            I too have one of these L-I's on order and am looking forward to pulling some good shots. The L-I has all the right components in a very compact package.

            Whether you like the looks of not I am more interested in what my taste buds tell me and a single spring Bosco Group can pull some great shots!

            If I really like the experience then I will retire my present espresso device

            Cheers!
            Stephen

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            • #81
              Back On Topic nice to see another new prosumer focused entry into the Lever market in a domestic width package. Will be interesting to hear from the users when they arrive.
              Last edited by Andy; 29 November 2012, 06:59 PM. Reason: edited out the crud

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