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  • #16
    Originally posted by Barry O'Speedwagon View Post
    You could similarly have said 'compare the temperature 1 metre from a bonfire, to the temperature 100 metres from it'. Even without industrial production, cities generate and store lots of heat in buildings, roads etc....but this isn't directly related to the greenhouse gas related global warming stuff (that's a technical term).
    Visit megacities like Beijing, Shanghai, Hong Kong, Seoul, Tokyo, Mexico City, L.A. et al ad nauseum (that's a Latin term) and tell me they have not already generated their own micro-climates via the spewing forth of various greenhous gases... all of which aids the locking in of those manmade heat sources you have already admitted to (and, as for technical terms... with a background in biochem and micro biology I could choke you with 'technical terms' yet since this isn't a scientific journal I thought I might just keep the conversation a bit more approachable)

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    • #17
      Originally posted by Barry O'Speedwagon View Post
      You could similarly have said 'compare the temperature 1 metre from a bonfire, to the temperature 100 metres from it'.
      I guess one of the concerns overpopulation brings to mind is that this manmade bonfire is becoming larger and larger and we may soon find that we are no longer able to step 100 metres away from it.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by Vinitasse View Post
        (and, as for technical terms... with a background in biochem and micro biology I could choke you with 'technical terms' yet since this isn't a scientific journal I thought I might just keep the conversation a bit more approachable)
        "Toot toot!". Is that the sound of someone blowing their own horn? Settle down with the ego, it doesn't add anything to the discussion (and as an aside, I'm not sure where biochemistry & microbiology fit into the science of climate change?)

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        • #19
          Originally posted by timmyc View Post
          "Toot toot!". Is that the sound of someone blowing their own horn? Settle down with the ego, it doesn't add anything to the discussion (and as an aside, I'm not sure where biochemistry & microbiology fit into the science of climate change?)
          My thesis was on the effects of microclimates and climate change on grape growing and wine making practices in a number of viticultural areas... and it wasn't meant as horn tooting in any way merely in response to my misinterpretation of Barry's comment: "...but this isn't directly related to the greenhouse gas related global warming stuff (that's a technical term)." Apologies for this misunderstanding have been given.
          Last edited by Vinitasse; 28 January 2013, 10:04 PM.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by Vinitasse View Post
            My thesis was on the effects of microclimates and climate change on grape growing and wine making practices in a number of viticultural areas... and it wasn't horn tooting in any way, shape or form, it was merely in response to Barry's rather button pushing comment: "...but this isn't directly related to the greenhouse gas related global warming stuff (that's a technical term)."
            Not intended to be 'button pushing'....was self-deprecating (i.e. my lack of a better term for 'stuff').

            And I've spent more than my share of time in Beijing and HK (and a couple of others). I don't deny for a second that these cities have impacted to the local climate. Just saying that not all of the micro-climate effects are directly related to global warming (though some aspects of production in those cities clearly are likely to be related to GW).

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            • #21
              Originally posted by Barry O'Speedwagon View Post
              Not intended to be 'button pushing'....was self-deprecating (i.e. my lack of a better term for 'stuff').
              Barry, my apologies for any misunderstanding

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              • #22
                Originally posted by Vinitasse View Post
                Barry, my apologies for any misunderstanding
                No apology necessary, but appreciated all the same.

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                • #23
                  I have to say I'm a long way from being a blind follower of arguments of consensus.
                  Most theories or idea's that collapse are preceded by general agreement during which the majority of people believed the failed theory was true.
                  Long held beliefs are overturned almost daily across a whole range of scientific research.

                  Having said that, I'm not suggesting that the human race is not having an adverse affect on the planet as a whole, however I strongly believe that the media is whipping the uneducated masses into a frenzy and milking the resulting hysteria for all it's worth.

                  I don't believe that the natural disasters we are seeing now are unprecedented, many people are being forced to live (for economic reasons) in area's unsuited to human habitation, when the inevitable happens and the area burns or floods, the cry go's up, it's never happened before, or not in human memory etc, the fact is these area's have flooded and burned in the past, it's just that no one was living there.

                  Only a fool would suggest we don't need to reduce our impact on the environment in any reasonable way we can, as I suggested earlier one of the obvious but largely ignored area's is over population, we are living on a planet of finite resources and cant continue in the belief that we have a right to procreate and a duty to extend human life to a point where we are no more than a burden on those around us, in the past infant mortality and old age took care of themselves, nowadays of course science has changed all that.

                  There probably will be solutions forthcoming however a lot of us may well find them unpalatable.

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                  • #24
                    Today's global warming is well within historic range

                    Originally posted by Yelta View Post
                    Having said that, I'm not suggesting that the human race is not having an adverse affect on the planet as a whole, however I strongly believe that the media is whipping the uneducated masses into a frenzy and milking the resulting hysteria for all it's worth.
                    Well that's certainly true. Somehow the media has us questioning the facts of climate change instead of actually discussing the real issue: what are we going to do about it?

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by fruity View Post
                      Well that's certainly true. Somehow the media has us questioning the facts of climate change instead of actually discussing the real issue: what are we going to do about it?
                      I think this has actually been out there for some time but yes, the politics has ridden roughshod over the intent.
                      Remember the following:
                      • Recycling
                      • Re-usable bags instead of plastic supermarket bags
                      • Using CFC-free products to protect the ozone layer
                      • Lead-free petrol
                      • Electric or hybrid vehicles
                      • Solar energy
                      • Other renewable energy sources
                      • The 'Carbon Tax' (which has the primary intent of reducing electricity consumption via the higher price).
                      • Bike lanes (to encourage people to ride instead of drive)
                      • Organic farming methods


                      ...and many more I'm sure I've left out.

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