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  • #16
    Originally posted by Vinitasse View Post
    I'm pretty sure the human body was never designed to ingest/consume pure, unadulterated water, after all
    Agreed, water exists in two equally enjoyable, but vastly different solutions, coffee and beer!

    Originally posted by Barry O'Speedwagon View Post
    Do you prefer brushtail or ringtail? I guess the ringtail might add greater depth to lighter roasts.
    Definitely ringtail, it's probably more the "rare delicacy" factor, like truffle oil..

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    • #17
      Originally posted by Vinitasse View Post
      I'm pretty sure the human body was never designed to ingest/consume pure, unadulterated water, after all, it sure as hell doesn't occur anywhere in the natural world.
      Actually, if you think it through, the human body was 'designed' (a word I'd dispute but hey, believers are everywhere ) to ONLY consume pure water and it used to be everywhere before we began messing it up. You can still find it in a few country areas where mountains block the pollution we pump into the air and the land is free of chemicals and pollutants we use to do really poor imitations of natural processes.

      It sure as hell wasn't 'designed' to drink the stuff that comes out of the taps in most places, and those with rain water sources that aren't close to towns and cities should consider themselves VERY lucky, although many of them would still be consuming the detritus of civilisation.

      Cleaning crap out of what you consume is nowhere near 'overly protective' but rather, basic commonsense. Kool-aiders might like to believe the pacifying drool in the meida but truth is, our environment has never been as bad for us as it is now, and I am talking personal environment here, not espousing greenie propaganda.

      @MrJack -
      In my experience simply saying "that's incorrect", without backing it up, tends to result in more "open your eyes, don't drink the kool-aide" type responses, which doesn't really benefit anyone (and is extremely frustrating).
      Well you cleaned up what he actually said, but you're right, which is why it got the response I gave. As shown, turns out the 'absolute rubbish' was the comment about it being absolute rubbish. (as demonstrated by the results of a 5 minute search to confirm what I was saying)

      As Above, if you like to drink the kool-aid, feel free to do so. Personally I prefer to reduce the poisons I put in my body as much as possible. Breaking apart proteins and aminos into random chunks of active materials seems to me to be a silly thing to blithely dismiss as harmless when the evidence says it isn't.

      So... back to Grind/Dose/Tamp issues.

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      • #18
        Man oh man! You sure didn't do yourself, or your credibility, much good with that one. I will follow up tomorrow after a decent sleep.

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        • #19
          So will we do sex, politics or religion now?

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          • #20
            Originally posted by Talk_Coffee View Post
            So will we do sex, politics or religion now?
            A working girl, Joe Hockey and a Vicar walked into a roaster.........

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            • #21
              ... and Joe Hockey taxed the working girl to help subsidize the vicar's private all girls school (the one Tony Abbott's daughters used to attend)

              Too much?

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              • #22
                Originally posted by Journeyman View Post
                Actually, if you think it through, the human body was 'designed' (a word I'd dispute but hey, believers are everywhere ) to ONLY consume pure water and it used to be everywhere before we began messing it up. You can still find it in a few country areas where mountains block the pollution we pump into the air and the land is free of chemicals and pollutants we use to do really poor imitations of natural processes.
                Ummm.... no, and nooooooooooooooo!

                No... the human body is NOT meant to "...ONLY consume pure water." When a dehydrated person is brought into hospital, what is he or she given? Pure water or a saline water solution? When our eyes are dry, what does the medical community think we should use as eye drops? Pure water or a saline water solution? In both cases the answer is: a saline water solution.

                If we were to take this another level I might challenge you to a 7 day water only fast, where you take only pure water and I rely on a saline/mineral/heavy metal water solution. After 7 days I would be a little thinner but very much alive. You would have suffered along the way as your muscles and your brain functions both slowly shut down and by day 7 you would most likely be dead.

                Yes... there are nasties in the water that we drink and if we took a handful of pure magnesium or zinc or salt, we too would probably die as well. But our bodies are capable of ingesting a whole bunch of crap, taking out the nutrients required for a fully functioning life, and then discarding 99.99999% of the nasties that we do not need. Our liver and kidneys, our bladder and bowels, our sweat and oil glands are all pretty good at what they do and exist because we are supposed to take in nutrient rich (i.e. not pure) water and foods. It has always been thus so get used to it and wake up and smell the coffee already... so to speak.

                You state that pure water can still be found in some country areas where conveniently placed and very benevolent mountains magically block any pollution from tainting those pristine waters. On which planet does this occur cuz it certainly does not happen here on planet earth. Not now... not ever! I happen to be Canadian and Canada boasts the world's largest supply of "fresh" water... and we have a lot of mountains too but there is not a single river, stream or lake I would drink untreated water from unless I was dying of thirst. Ask Bear Grylls... while a sip or two in a pinch might do, you would still be at grave risk of picking up something such as giardia, if not worse. "Fresh" water is always tainted by something. The water flows over various minerals and organic matter. There is always run-off of some kind flowing in there... including the waste matter of numerous animals... all the way from micro-organisms to fish to mammals. And, what's more, this very un-pure water pre-dates mankind by a few million, if not billion, years. Those nasty volcanoes spewing ash, those nasty dinosaur defecations, those naturally occurring evils such as uranium, arsenic and lead were crapping all over our water table way before we got here!
                Last edited by Vinitasse; 18 June 2014, 04:52 PM.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Journeyman View Post
                  Kool-aiders might like to believe the pacifying drool in the meida but truth is, our environment has never been as bad for us as it is now, and I am talking personal environment here, not espousing greenie propaganda.
                  While I will agree that there is FAR MORE global pollution present today than ever before, I do not necessarily agree with your belief that "...our environment has never been as bad for us as it is now..." If you could jump into a time machine and take yourself back to London, or Paris, or any other major city, to any point in time between the beginning of the dark ages and the end of the industrial revolution I think you would find the soot ridden skies, the streets flowing with raw sewage and drinking water laced with cholera and various other pathogens and scads of heavy metals to be far, far worse than anything we have to put up with today.

                  I guess what I'm trying to say is... lighten up! Your constant worrying and paranoia about the things you ingest is probably causing you more stress, and ultimately doing more damage to your overall health and potential life span than any amount of tap water ever could.

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                  • #24
                    Besides... coffee made with "tainted" mineralized water simply tastes better

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                    • #25
                      I personally don't care if you fear microwaves or not, but just to set it straight a couple of the articles mentioned before were covered by Dr. Carl here

                      I actually tried to get the first one in from the lancet (non peer revued letter so doesn't count for anything anyway). Unfortunately the 2nd page of the pdf didn't open up... conspiracy? hmmm

                      Anyway all I could get was that they compared heating in a microwave for 10 minutes vs a 80 degree water bath for the same time, which sounds a bit flawed to me.

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by burr View Post
                        I personally don't care if you fear microwaves or not, but just to set it straight a couple of the articles mentioned before were covered by Dr. Carl here

                        I actually tried to get the first one in from the lancet (non peer revued letter so doesn't count for anything anyway). Unfortunately the 2nd page of the pdf didn't open up... conspiracy? hmmm

                        Anyway all I could get was that they compared heating in a microwave for 10 minutes vs a 80 degree water bath for the same time, which sounds a bit flawed to me.
                        If you heated milk in a microwave for 10 minutes, wouldn't it burst into flames?

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by Vinitasse View Post
                          If you heated milk in a microwave for 10 minutes, wouldn't it burst into flames?
                          Evening Vinitasse,

                          Just tried it, the microwave burst into flames seriously though why would you do it?

                          Correct me if I'm wrong, I thought the topic title was
                          Problem with EM7000 - Grind, tamp or other? seems to have drifted a little.

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by Yelta View Post
                            Evening Vinitasse,

                            Just tried it, the microwave burst into flames seriously though why would you do it?

                            Correct me if I'm wrong, I thought the topic title was
                            Problem with EM7000 - Grind, tamp or other? seems to have drifted a little.
                            "Other" is a pretty open topic of discussion

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by Vinitasse View Post
                              "Other" is a pretty open topic of discussion
                              Did I mention our Burmese cat caught a mouse last night.

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by Vinitasse View Post
                                Ummm.... no, and nooooooooooooooo!

                                No... the human body is NOT meant to "...ONLY consume pure water." When a dehydrated person is brought into hospital, what is he or she given? Pure water or a saline water solution? When our eyes are dry, what does the medical community think we should use as eye drops? Pure water or a saline water solution? In both cases the answer is: a saline water solution.

                                If we were to take this another level I might challenge you to a 7 day water only fast, where you take only pure water and I rely on a saline/mineral/heavy metal water solution. After 7 days I would be a little thinner but very much alive. You would have suffered along the way as your muscles and your brain functions both slowly shut down and by day 7 you would most likely be dead.
                                Yeah... but no. You're talking about weird situations. And I have done a 7 day fast with only water so your conjecture about how one might end after such is about as wrong as you can get. And you might want to stay away from heavy metals as a diet supplement - it tends to not end well. even by orthodox medical standards.

                                Sometimes people get carried away in trying to disprove someone and they make stupid statements. You might well try to live on saline water - in very short time you will not be feeling well - that's why people lost at sea are advised strongly against drinking sea water.

                                Fact is, your body IS adapted to drinking water... just water... without additives or even your preferred heavy metals. While minerals and supplements might be required to alleviate some kind of abnormal situation brought on by modern life, your body has many thousands of years living elsewise. To think the modern state is somehow normal simply displays another kool-aid drinker. I'm betting you believe McDonalds is good food as well?

                                As for your ridiculous other rants going on, you might have missed the last 60 years or so of medical evidence that many of the contaminants in our daily lives are NOT dealt with by the body and accumulate in the system.

                                Also you seem to be ranting on about pure water as if at some point I have insisted RO water is the only source, whereas the point I was making had to do with making pure the contaminated supply most of the planet has to deal with.

                                And yes, the basics of how the climate works will provide that mountains can block pollution - that comes from things like rain shadow, and snow. That's why when people want to measure things like pollution they first get a baseline out in the mountains. I grew up in a town that drank untreated water. Couple of coarse filters and a settling dam was it. You have had too much kool-aid if you rely on Bear Grylls to provide your science.

                                Or Canada is far worse than your PR lets on...

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