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  • #31
    So you don't subscribe to the findings contained in the WHO's study on the effects of drinking demineralised water?

    Originally posted by Journeyman View Post
    Fact is, your body IS adapted to drinking water... just water... without additives or even your preferred heavy metals. While minerals and supplements might be required to alleviate some kind of abnormal situation brought on by modern life, your body has many thousands of years living elsewise. To think the modern state is somehow normal simply displays another kool-aid drinker. I'm betting you believe McDonalds is good food as well?
    Call me crazy, but I was under the impression that over the enormous period of time we've spent evolving and adapting, our primary source of water would have been from lakes, streams and springs, which you'd assume would not contain demineralised water.

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    • #32
      Originally posted by Journeyman View Post
      Yeah... but no. You're talking about weird situations. And I have done a 7 day fast with only water so your conjecture about how one might end after such is about as wrong as you can get. And you might want to stay away from heavy metals as a diet supplement - it tends to not end well. even by orthodox medical standards.

      Sometimes people get carried away in trying to disprove someone and they make stupid statements. You might well try to live on saline water - in very short time you will not be feeling well - that's why people lost at sea are advised strongly against drinking sea water.

      Fact is, your body IS adapted to drinking water... just water... without additives or even your preferred heavy metals. While minerals and supplements might be required to alleviate some kind of abnormal situation brought on by modern life, your body has many thousands of years living elsewise. To think the modern state is somehow normal simply displays another kool-aid drinker. I'm betting you believe McDonalds is good food as well?

      As for your ridiculous other rants going on, you might have missed the last 60 years or so of medical evidence that many of the contaminants in our daily lives are NOT dealt with by the body and accumulate in the system.

      Also you seem to be ranting on about pure water as if at some point I have insisted RO water is the only source, whereas the point I was making had to do with making pure the contaminated supply most of the planet has to deal with.

      And yes, the basics of how the climate works will provide that mountains can block pollution - that comes from things like rain shadow, and snow. That's why when people want to measure things like pollution they first get a baseline out in the mountains. I grew up in a town that drank untreated water. Couple of coarse filters and a settling dam was it. You have had too much kool-aid if you rely on Bear Grylls to provide your science.

      Or Canada is far worse than your PR lets on...
      Magnesium is a heavy metal and my brain seems to like having a wee bit up there

      And just so you know, a saline solution is typically 9g/l of NaCl while seawater hovers around 35g/l... a wee bit different don't you think?

      And now your magic mountains apparently also have even more magical pollution trapping snow that never melts as well? Because, of course, if it did melt... all those trapped pollutants would then be released into that "pure" water table on the other side of the mountain.

      In any event... you live happily on your planet and I'll stay here on planet earth

      Best of luck with your alternate reality

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      • #33
        If someone claims to base their decisions on Science and/or tries to use Science to backup a claim/justify a stance it behooves them to use their terminology correctly least they look the Koo-laid drinker/uneducated lout.

        Pure water/ice is a collection of H2O molecules and nothing else. Any other usage of the phrase 'pure water/ice' is meaningless unless a specific definition is given. Nowhere on the surface or sub-surface of this planet does pure water/ice exist except that which has been made by Man. Every body of water and field of ice on this planet has molecules other then H2O in it and always has. None of these bodies are or ever have been comprised of pure water/ice. Neither Homo Sapiens nor their ancestors evolved drinking pure water. These are scientific facts. Period. Full stop.


        Java "Potable != Pure" phile
        Toys! I must have new toys!!!

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        • #34

          What they said.

          Too many posts to like in this thread.


          The trouble with constructing a model on the basis of an invalid assumption is that, no matter how well conceived and thorough the model is, it will never be useful.

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          • #35
            Been sitting on the sidelines eating popcorn, very entertaining thread.

            Seems to me most of what's been written re the dangers of microwaving milk relate to uneven heating of milk/babies bottles in microwaves, along with the risk of severe burns, other than this the jury is still out on other claims.

            Unless of course you are a supporter of this quack The Hidden Hazards Of Microwave Cooking he obviously has enough people sucked in to make a very comfortable living from his brand of fear mongering, remembering of course he is based in the US, which obviously gives him a head start.

            Guess the important thing to keep in mind is that somewhere between opposing radical views lies the truth.

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            • #36
              The problem is that anyone can put anything on the internet and make it look fair dinkum.

              It is important to look at the origin before believing what you see on the net as there is a lot of questionable junk there.

              Barry

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              • #37
                I gave up on the contemplation of senseless consumption of unmitigated tripe many years ago, and here we have yet more platefuls of the unsavoury offal being presented....

                Pul-eeze....

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                • #38
                  A few things to the quacks on this thread:
                  1. Microwaves work by vibrating _water_ molecules, not anything else (although it is not clear what else has a resonant frequency in the same range).
                  2. Magnesium is not a heavy metal. It's lighter than calcium!
                  3. Humans aren't 'adapted for drinking pure water'. We'd be extinct long ago if this were the case. Humans are adapted to drink whatever they can, whenever they can, and to reject the absorption of undesirables. This mechanism, of course, is imperfect.
                  4. You can do a 7 day water only fast just fine. The body's stores of solutes are perfectly adequate for such a situation.

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                  • #39
                    I've done 7 days on only water.
                    No big deal.

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                    • #40
                      If it any way will assist discussion I am more than prepared to go 7 days consuming nothing but lattes.

                      Alternatively I am prepared to go 7 days consuming gin and tonic with your choice of tap, filtered or RO ice cubes.

                      Just give me a couple of days notice so I can clear a week in my calendar.

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by Hildy View Post
                        A few things to the quacks on this thread:
                        2. Magnesium is not a heavy metal. It's lighter than calcium!
                        Speaking of quacks, you might want to check your facts a bit more closely before throwing insults around.

                        Just so you know... the jury is still out on whether or not magnesium is or is not a heavy metal. There are schools of thought supporting both sides of the argument and I merely went with the definition I was taught.

                        source: Chemical International

                        Heavy Metals
                        "At some point in the history of the term, it has been realized that density or specific gravity is not of great significance in relation to the reactivity of a metal. Accordingly, definitions have been formulated in terms of atomic weight or mass, which brings us a step closer to the periodic table–traditionally the most sound and scientifically informative chemical classification of the elements. However, the mass criterion is still unclear. Bennet [13] and Lewis [14] opt for atomic weights greater than that of sodium, i.e., greater than 23, thus starting with magnesium, while Rand et al. [15] prefer metals of atomic weights greater than 40, thus starting with scandium. "
                        Last edited by Vinitasse; 20 June 2014, 08:25 PM.

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                        • #42
                          admitting the electrolytes into the definition of 'heavy metal' gives a funny view of 'heavy metal poisoning'.

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by Javaphile View Post
                            If someone claims to base their decisions on Science and/or tries to use Science to backup a claim/justify a stance it behooves them to use their terminology correctly least they look the Koo-laid drinker/uneducated lout.

                            Pure water/ice is a collection of H2O molecules and nothing else. Any other usage of the phrase 'pure water/ice' is meaningless unless a specific definition is given. Nowhere on the surface or sub-surface of this planet does pure water/ice exist except that which has been made by Man. Every body of water and field of ice on this planet has molecules other then H2O in it and always has. None of these bodies are or ever have been comprised of pure water/ice. Neither Homo Sapiens nor their ancestors evolved drinking pure water. These are scientific facts. Period. Full stop.
                            Java "Potable != Pure" phile
                            Yeah... but no.. See, what you are forgetting... or maybe ignoring... is the basic fact that we have built-in ways to deal with the normal 'contaminants' that we find in 'natural' water. The problems come when we have to try to deal with what is now considered to be good water. So many contaminants, so few ways to handle it.

                            Anyone can look up the facts, but our current system makes sure most people are not even aware there are other 'facts' than what they are being fed. Your body IS 'designed' to use 'pure' water and also to deal with the things nature adds. It is NOT 'designed' to deal with the crap we put in there. FACT. If we are going for design as a parameter, maybe someone could supply a scenario involving polluted water supplies to which the human system IS adapted? We might then export that to the 3rd world states in Africa who suffer so badly from NOT having 'pure' water. (and I am pretty damn sure they would dispute the definition given above as to what 'pure' might mean - I am fairly sure they would define it as water that doesn't kill them.

                            But hey, live your life as you wish. I'm sure Godwin would appreciate the dedication to which a modern society adheres to Hitler's use of water supplies.

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                            • #44
                              The definitive chart of Heavy Metals is here I think...

                              Pop Chart Lab --> Design + Data = Delight --> Periodic Table of Heavy Metals

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by Vinitasse View Post
                                Speaking of quacks, you might want to check your facts a bit more closely before throwing insults around.

                                Just so you know... the jury is still out on whether or not magnesium is or is not a heavy metal. There are schools of thought supporting both sides of the argument and I merely went with the definition I was taught.

                                source: Chemical International

                                Heavy Metals
                                "At some point in the history of the term, it has been realized that density or specific gravity is not of great significance in relation to the reactivity of a metal. Accordingly, definitions have been formulated in terms of atomic weight or mass, which brings us a step closer to the periodic table–traditionally the most sound and scientifically informative chemical classification of the elements. However, the mass criterion is still unclear. Bennet [13] and Lewis [14] opt for atomic weights greater than that of sodium, i.e., greater than 23, thus starting with magnesium, while Rand et al. [15] prefer metals of atomic weights greater than 40, thus starting with scandium. "
                                Yes, but if you want to use reactivity rather than molecular weight, you should remember Gold IS a heavy metal and is very non-reactive.

                                @Hildy - yeah - I used to think that too, but 2.45GHz - it's a bit hard to accept the only molecules vibrating are water ones... doncha think?

                                And as to deformation of molecules, proteins are probably the worst things to deform. The shape of proteins (and as far as I am aware, aminos) matters. Mad Cow is a result of a deformation of a common molecule. Proteins that get their shape changed cause some very serious diseases. (or syndromes or whatever you might call them)

                                Look up how microwave ovens work, not just the 'this is safe' stuff but how they actually work.The vibration is just a part of it, but even there, you have to question just how atoms vibrating can generate heat. Seriously. Which gets to what is friction in ANY sense. See... atoms never touch, so how can rubbing them together generate heat?

                                And now... how does vibrating a molecule (water or otherwise) generate heat?

                                Now... think about all that and ask yourself if you REALLY want to microwave milk...

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