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  • Disappearing privacy

    Yeah I know it's an older report but it's still just as relevant (If not more so!) as it was when produced.




    Java "Privacy? What's that?!?" phile
    Last edited by Javaphile; 1 January 2015, 03:53 AM. Reason: Formatting
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  • #2
    All so obvious, the sad thing is so many people react exactly like the bloke in the skit, they simply don't or wont believe they are subject to this type of data harvesting.

    There is an ongoing thread on another forum I belong to, seems many members are constantly bombarded with scam and telemarketing call while others, like myself receive virtually none of this material, when you try to explain it may well have something to do with their personal habits the reaction is less than receptive, guess some people simply don't or cant comprehend the results of their actions.

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    • #3
      You did well to find that from the other side of the planet Javaphile.

      My kids record that show on ABC all the time, while a lot of what they cover is fairly obvious some of it contains some excellent research and can be a real eye-opener and it's a bonus they present in a fun, family viewing way. They did an interesting show on free-range eggs and what the supermarket marketing term of "free range" really means.. which is often not much!

      There was another (funny) short skit of theirs that I liked which is more on-topic to this thread:
      PARALLEL CONSUMERVERSE: IF RETAILERS WERE LIKE GOOGLE | The Checkout | ABC1

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      • #4
        Yup, Google is one of many sites I script block and when I do have to connect to one of their sites I use a proxy server to do so. I also never use their search engine directly, only through a proxy search engine that does no tracking or recording and doesn't pass along any info from your connection (Including your IP.) to Google.

        The part I find even more concerning Yelta are all the people out there who know full well the extent of all the data-mining going on and don't care! Google knows more about you than you know about yourself and it is this data-mining that drives the companies profits.


        Java "Keep your mitts off me!" phile
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        • #5
          Morning Java,

          Which Proxy search engine do you recommend? must admit I have not taken that step, however it does interest me.

          How do you script block Google?

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          • #6
            https://startpage.com/eng/?

            https://noscript.net/


            Java "Whup! There they are!" phile
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            • #7
              Originally posted by Javaphile View Post
              The part I find even more concerning Yelta are all the people out there who know full well the extent of all the data-mining going on and don't care! Google knows more about you than you know about yourself and it is this data-mining that drives the companies profits.
              If you can't be @rsed installing script blockers and using proxies, Firefox users can install the Duckduckgo search engine which doesn't track. I've only just started using it and already like the cleaner results page without the ads and sponsored pages at the top of the results list.

              Bye bye Chrome

              Edit: Not claiming duckduckgo is better than what Javaphile has provided in his most recent post.

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              • #8
                I just use adblocker on chrome which gets rid of the bulk of the ads and then I just ignore the rest. Not that much effort.

                To be honest, I've actually found some good deals on equipment I've needed from online ads that were tailored to me so it doesn't bother me too much.

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                • #9
                  I just use adblocker on my mac. No sponsored links, no advertising ( even on CS; sorry sponsors but I know where you are if I need you!),

                  no solicitations to gamble. Just one or two places where I can't see content because they don't like adblocker. No loss.

                  My webcam is also blocked out..... no remote access here!

                  Smartphones are as good a tracking as a tracking device. Street level digital advertising screens with built in scanners. No location service

                  required, just an active phone.

                  Issues my children and theirs will have to live with. I live in a changing world, they live in a changed world.

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                  • #10
                    Have been using duckduckgo for some time now but JP's recommendation of "Start Page" looks interesting too, so will give it a try out for a while...

                    Mal.

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                    • #11
                      Both of my suggestions integrate seamlessly with Firefox.


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                      • #12
                        Even with only looking at public data computers can know you better than your closest friends and family.

                        Computers may soon know us better than our friends - The Scotsman

                        A few tidbits:

                        Research has shown that by studying a person’s “Likes” on Facebook, new software could predict personality more accurately than friends and family, and only husbands and wives rivalled the computer’s ability to sum up broad psychological traits.
                        For the research, 86,220 volunteers on Facebook completed a 100-item personality questionnaire and allowed their Likes to be accessed. The results provided self-reported personality scores for the “big five” psychological traits: openness, conscientiousness, extraversion, agreeableness and neuroticism (Ocean)...

                        ...The researchers found that their software was able to predict a study participant’s personality more accurately than a work colleague by analysing just ten Likes. Inputting 70 Likes allowed it to obtain a truer picture of someone’s character than a friend or flatmate, while 150 Likes outperformed a parent or sibling. It took 300 Likes before the programme was able to judge character better than a spouse.
                        Co-author Dr David Stillwell, also from Cambridge University, said: “The ability to judge personality is an essential component of social living – from day-to-day decisions to long-term plans such as whom to marry, trust, hire or elect as president. The results of such data analysis can be very useful in aiding people when making decisions.”

                        But the researchers share the concerns of those who fear a dystopian future in which our traits and habits are an “open book” for computers to read. Dr Michal Kosinski, a member of the team from Stanford University in the US, said: “We hope consumers, technology developers, and policy-makers will tackle those challenges by supporting privacy-protecting laws and technologies, and giving users full control over their digital footprints.”

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                        • #13
                          On the subject of privacy, the guy who used to run Lavabit (who shut his service down rather than giving over his encryption keys, well, he gave them his keys... written on paper... to buy enough time to shut down the servers) and others are working on a replacement for email whose central tenet is privacy and in particular restricting access to metadata, it's still in its infancy but hopefully it will get off the ground and become widely accepted (though it's going to take quite some time).

                          This may be of interest to the more technical members of the forum (I'm certainly keeping my eye on it and helping out where I can): Dark Mail Technical Alliance

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                          • #14
                            Begs the question, at what point does circumspection become paranoia? I suspect when your life's work revolves around communicating in code you may well have crossed the line.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Yelta View Post
                              Begs the question, at what point does circumspection become paranoia? I suspect when your life's work revolves around communicating in code you may well have crossed the line.
                              The NSA did actually come after him, so I think that one can probably be pretty sure paranoia is not the problem in that case.

                              Flipside, "when it becomes necessary to communicate in code to have any semblance of privacy, *somebody* has crossed the line (and I'm pretty sure it is not the person desiring privacy)"


                              Moreover, email is broken and has been broken for a LOOOOONG time, things are improving now with people actually supporting SSL for access to email but up until very recently (and in many cases still) all email access was "in the clear", and that includes sending your password to your POP3 server, IMO this type of development is about 15 years overdue, purely from the "secure by default" stance, privacy impacts notwithstanding.

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