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  • #16
    Re: Video Camera -  Suggestions please

    Yeh, good post NakedBean

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    • #17
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      Something to keep in mind is that the only truely archival quality medium is digital tapes. Recordable discs can give errors in as little as a year with almost all having errors by 5-7 years.


      Java "Backup! Backup! Backup!" phile
      Toys! I must have new toys!!!

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      • #18
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        Originally posted by Javaphile link=1180451586/15#16 date=1180497897
        Something to keep in mind is that the only truely archival quality medium is digital tapes.
        Java "Backup! Backup! Backup!" phile
        And even with them it is recommended they get re-written every 5 years at most..... as they suffer from print through and degradation of the tape itself when wound in close proximity to other layers...

        Where is the old silver / dye on acetate?...... I think they called it .... ehhhhh..... was it film? ;D ;D ;D ;D

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        • #19
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          Nostalgia JavaB ;-)

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          • #20
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            Originally posted by JavaB link=1180451586/15#17 date=1180498521
            And even with them it is recommended they get re-written every 5 years at most..... as they suffer from print through and degradation of the tape itself when wound in close proximity to other layers...
            Hhhmmm....interesting. The last Id heard DAT/DLT tapes (assumming quality tapes were used of course) were the only truely archival rated digital medium with a life expectancy of 50-100 years.

            Got any links you can point me at for more info? I rely on my DLT tapes as a long term repository for irreplacable files, mainly my pictures.


            Java "Guarding his data" phile
            Toys! I must have new toys!!!

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            • #21
              Re: Video Camera -  Suggestions please

              Originally posted by Javaphile link=1180451586/15#19 date=1180509171

              Got any links you can point me at for more info? I rely on my DLT tapes as a long term repository for irreplacable files, mainly my pictures.
              Java "Guarding his data" phile
              Nope.... that was based on policy in the equivalent of your "Internal Revenue" department here in Aus. It was following advice given by IBM on storage of digital magnetic media..... and storage was in a vault (funny that) which was kept at recommended humidity and temperature..... for some reason the department took storage of these tapes VERY seriously

              IBM actually said absolute max - 10 years - so Departmental policy became every 5 years..... (bit paranoid maybe?)

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              • #22
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                Originally posted by JavaB link=1180451586/15#20 date=1180509856
                Nope.... that was based on policy in the equivalent of your "Internal Revenue" department here in Aus. It was following advice given by IBM on storage of digital magnetic media..... and storage was in a vault (funny that) which was kept at recommended humidity and temperature..... for some reason the department took storage of these tapes VERY seriously

                IBM actually said absolute max - 10 years - so Departmental policy became every 5 years..... (bit paranoid maybe?)
                Im glad to see my paranoia is well justified.

                Oh, did I forget to mention that those critical files are also stored on a Raid5 as well as two other hard drives in separate machines? ;D : ;D


                Java "Guards his data seriously" phile
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                • #23
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                  Originally posted by NakedBean link=1180451586/0#13 date=1180494573
                  Probably put a few dollars into better post processing software to obtain a better final quality image.
                  I went through the whole "want a video camera, what do I buy" myself only 3 days ago. In the end I settled for a Panasonic VDR-D250 because it looked like a great deal. In terms of purchasing the post processing software - what would you recommend?

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                  • #24
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                    Gday Andy,

                    Heres another site that I have found useful for comparing hardware, but it sounds like NakedBeans got the goods ....

                    Mal.

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                    • #25
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                      Originally posted by kohi link=1180451586/15#22 date=1180519870
                      Originally posted by NakedBean link=1180451586/0#13 date=1180494573
                      Probably put a few dollars into better post processing software to obtain a better final quality image.
                      I went through the whole "want a video camera, what do I buy" myself only 3 days ago. In the end I settled for a Panasonic VDR-D250 because it looked like a great deal. In terms of purchasing the post processing software - what would you recommend?
                      pc or mac and how much money do you want to spend? you can say none.

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                      • #26
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                        I guess if "none" is a good option then none!!! Is that a good option? If not, I dont mind spending a bit of money if it means I get a good product - ie reliable, easy to use, worth what it costs, etc. I dont have a budget in mind as I have no idea what it would all cost. I do like quality though.

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                        • #27
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                          Originally posted by jimmyb link=1180451586/15#24 date=1180526628

                          pc or mac
                          Sorry, forgot to answer pc or mac - pc.

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                          • #28
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                            Im bleary eyed having spent the last 10 hours non-stop trying to get my new desktop PC to configure a wireless router and talk to the notebook in the next room... but here goes:

                            As most have observed, tape is a linear medium, becoming obsolete, because it physically has to travel through the recording and play back heads. So dowloading images takes time.

                            However, degradation for domestic use should not be an issue... The professionals call it "dropouts" but on digital tapes these are rare events compared to the old analogue variety.

                            Theres little doubt flash memory is the medium of the future: absolutely no moving parts. Cards have slimmed down from the "gigantic" Compact Flash to micros the size of a small finger nail. Price has also reduced drastically, and capacity is expanding.

                            Nonetheless, the limited capacity is better suited for still pictures and MP3 players rather than memory-hogging moving pictures.

                            3CCD or "three-chippers" are obviously better quality, non-broadcast professional standard. Great to have, but probably unnecessary for shots of the family by the pool in the backyard to be screened at home only.

                            Whatever you buy will be fully functional but still obsolete next week. But if yoou wait for next week, the same dilemma applies.

                            I paid $1400 for my Cannon digital 3 megapixel camera. And a further $150 for a 126 mb compact flash card.

                            A great, quality machine. I said at the time: "In six months theyll be twice the pixels for half the price." And they were. But with technology, those who dont seize the moment (and the gadget) get left behind.

                            --Robusto

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                            • #29
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                              Too true re pixels and price Robusto.

                              I bought my first digital camera 3 years ago. 3 MP.
                              Its so far behind now, my phone has a 2 MP camera. Actually it has 2 cameras, the second one is only about 1 MP.

                              I also bought last week a new card for said phone (1 year old).
                              It originally came with a 64 MB card.
                              The new one is 1 GB.
                              Including postage & insurance from Sth Korea it cost me $28-08 to increase the memory in the phone 20 times.
                              Damned cheap!

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                              • #30
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                                Ohhh, I should have also mentioned...

                                I was TOLD to get a new video camera before we take the kids away at the end of July. I would have been happy with a super 8 (far more interesting and great value)



                                I guess the $1000 mark makes sense. It buys one of the better DV tape units and if I sold on ebay in 12 months for half price it still only cost me $10 a week.

                                At least I have some direction now.

                                Thanks heaps to all for your thoughts.



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