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  • #31
    Originally posted by Zee View Post
    You should see what a proper 4K signal looks like...

    Z...
    Not much (zero) live broadcast 4k to compare to Z. Appreciate that any displayed image can only ever be as good as the capturing device, those that operate them and the reproduction method. Worked with shrouded Barcos in a light controlled environment for a long time. Resolution is everything in such work.

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    • #32
      Buying a TV shouldn't be this complicated.

      Ps isn't technology supposed to make our lives easier?

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      • #33
        Originally posted by OCD View Post
        Buying a TV shouldn't be this complicated.

        Ps isn't technology supposed to make our lives easier?
        I think its all down to personal preference and expectations.

        We have a 10 year old 42 inch Panasonic Plasma and are still very satisfied with the colour and definition it delivers, guess it will chuck the sponge in one day, then will be the time to contemplate something to replace it.

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        • #34
          Originally posted by OCD View Post
          Ps isn't technology supposed to make our lives easier?
          In the capitalist system that's well down the list of why products are made. The a priori reason for making any product is to generate a profit.


          Java "It's all about the Bucks" phile
          Toys! I must have new toys!!!

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          • #35
            Yeah we just replaced our old 2005 model. 14 years was a pretty good innings I thought.

            Image quality on the new OLED Is a real leap forward, especially the black levels.

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            • #36
              Originally posted by herzog View Post
              especially the black levels.
              Have to say I find some of the colour levels and saturation over powering to the point of being unnatural.

              Guess like so much nowadays, too much is never enough.

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              • #37
                Originally posted by Yelta View Post
                Have to say I find some of the colour levels and saturation over powering to the point of being unnatural.

                Guess like so much nowadays, too much is never enough.
                G'day Yelta

                You can actually use those strange things called settings to tame down any excess...

                I just watched my 4K of Attenborough's Planet Earth II on my brothers 65" OLED 4k set compared to my mere 65" U-LED 4K set, both using his 4K Panasonic and my OPPO 205 player (bought mainly for the audio quality on SACDs). Both TVs are just under 1 year old, although his cost nearly 4 times more than mine... The OLED added another stunning dimension to the already outstanding picture quality. Worth every cent of extra expense if you are a heavy TV watcher. Personally I manage about 2 hours of TV viewing a day before boredom sets in so the extra quality is not worth considering until my current TV dies - its predecessor was bought in mid 2004, so hopefully by the time my new one carks it OLED's (or the tech after them) should be a sane price.

                Then I played a little of one of those dreadful US soapie pieces of excreta in 4K (his other half's) - massively overbright over-saturated colours to the point he backed the setting down about 4 stages before the skin tones looked only mildly artificial. I guess if either of us weren't fed up with the content by then we could have persisted and got it watchable - in technical terms only.

                Consider me sold on an OLED (or the next tech advance after that) for my next TV.

                TampIt

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by noonar View Post
                  Not much (zero) live broadcast 4k to compare to Z. Appreciate that any displayed image can only ever be as good as the capturing device, those that operate them and the reproduction method. Worked with shrouded Barcos in a light controlled environment for a long time. Resolution is everything in such work.
                  I meant 4K Blu Ray movies from a good quality 4k BD play (say, OPPO) - Foxtel have the most awful image quality.

                  My point is, if you think the Fox 4k image is good - you'll be blown away again when you get proper 4k content. Thats a good thing!

                  Z...

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by Yelta View Post
                    Have to say I find some of the colour levels and saturation over powering to the point of being unnatural.

                    Guess like so much nowadays, too much is never enough.
                    Set the image to movie mode. One of the things I do is calibrate screens - makes a huge difference. If you have a good tele, invest in a Spear & Munsil BD (assuming you also have a 4k BD player), follow the instructions, and you'll be about 90% of the way to a fully calibrated picture for about $30.

                    Z...

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by Zee View Post
                      Keep in mind, if you are truly serious about image quality, you'd be using an Apple TV 4k, or a high end Android box for your steaming services. The processing in those boxes will ensure a better streaming experience in just about every way.

                      Z...
                      The FZ series Panasonic does high level 4k processing and is renowned for its color/contrast handling as well as very good 4k upscaling. The weak link in my streaming at the moment is not being on NBN so I can't view Netflix and others in 4k yet. I still manage to get Ultra HD on some Amazon Prime content which is pretty damn impressive. HD upscaled to 4k is excellent on Free to Air TV as well as most Streamed HD content. SD as in some content on News services is acceptable but makes me glad I stayed with 55" rather than 65". Both sets have the same resolution but at our viewing distance SD on a 65" would look worse.

                      I've also added a Panasonic DP-UB820 4k disc player after finding a cracking deal at 20% off. Same generation as the TV which in the past I found to be a good thing with Panasonic. Bought a couple of 4k mastered discs which highlight the Panasonic's 4k capabilities. I think it will be a very long time before I'll be looking at an upgrade.
                      Last edited by CafeLotta; 15 March 2019, 11:34 AM.

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by Yelta View Post
                        Have to say I find some of the colour levels and saturation over powering to the point of being unnatural.

                        Guess like so much nowadays, too much is never enough.
                        Many people seem to set up their picture with overly saturated color and boosted contrast and brightness.

                        I came from a 50" Panasonic Plasma which had an excellent HD picture especially when run through the tuner on our fairly recent model Panasonic DMR-BWT955GL PVR. On HD Free to Air channels it was very close to the picture quality of my new Panasonic FZ1000 OLED. Once it came to streaming HD movies from Netflix etc the 4k upscaling of the OLED was a noticeable step up and playing 4k discs and Ultra HD content from Amazon Prime is in another league to the HD plasma. My main reason for upgrading was to have access to the streaming apps directly on my TV which my old Plasma or PVR didn't have. The one downside is they have sent Customer Service calls offshore to the Philipines .

                        By the way in case it wasn't obvious I've been a fan of medium to higher end Panasonic gear for 20 years or so. Reliable, very good quality and bang for buck ratio.
                        Last edited by CafeLotta; 15 March 2019, 11:39 AM.

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by CafeLotta View Post
                          Many people seem to like to set up their picture with overly saturated color and boosted contrast and brightness.
                          Many brands come out of the box that way. They default the settings to look attractive on display in the retail store environment. Some brands have sensibly flipped this around to offer good home settings out of the box, and have a "Retail Mode" selection on the menu that the stores can use to enable those "fun arcade" brightness and colours.

                          If not, it's a fairly simple process to dial in the settings for home use. As you say, usually involves winding back things like colour saturation, brightness and turning off that awful motion flow stuff.

                          As hobbyists of espresso machines and grinders, we know all about dialling in the settings don't we? : )

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by TampIt View Post
                            Then I played a little of one of those dreadful US soapie pieces of excreta in 4K (his other half's) - massively overbright over-saturated colours to the point he backed the setting down about 4 stages before the skin tones looked only mildly artificial. I guess if either of us weren't fed up with the content by then we could have persisted and got it watchable - in technical terms only.
                            TampIt
                            The correct balance of color, contrast, brightness etc will present 4k at its optimum. The FZ1000 Panasonic has 10 pre-set picture mode selections that vary the settings giving an easy way to find a pre-set picture mode best suited to the content you are viewing. I think I've only ever once selected the User pre-set to play around with settings on a particular piece of content.

                            If you go OLED, try to have a good unbiased look at the pros/cons of each brand. I was ready to finally switch from Panasonic to Sony until the OLED dimming issues of Sony came to light . Finding a deal on a 55" Panasonic FZ1000 which priced it at 60% of the equivalent 55" Sony A9F made it a no brainer.

                            Comparison review of these 2 TVs.
                            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LEfGs6vHKBA

                            The Panasonic FZ952 in UK/Europe is the same model as our Australian FZ1000.
                            Last edited by CafeLotta; 15 March 2019, 11:51 AM.

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                            • #44
                              Seems that now OLED fever has hit there are some very good deals to be had on UHD LED LCD smart TV's.

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by CafeLotta View Post
                                The correct balance of color, contrast, brightness etc will present 4k at its optimum. The FZ1000 Panasonic has 10 pre-set picture mode selections that vary the settings giving an easy way to find a pre-set picture mode best suited to the content you are viewing. I think I've only ever once selected the User pre-set to play around with settings on a particular piece of content.

                                If you go OLED, try to have a good unbiased look at the pros/cons of each brand. I was ready to finally switch from Panasonic to Sony until the OLED dimming issues of Sony came to light . Finding a deal on a 55" Panasonic FZ1000 which priced it at 60% of the equivalent 55" Sony A9F made it a no brainer.

                                Comparison review of these 2 TVs.
                                https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LEfGs6vHKBA

                                The Panasonic FZ952 in UK/Europe is the same model as our Australian FZ1000.
                                G'day CafeLotta

                                I can share your Panasonic love. I have a few of their PVRs and they are a delight to use. Even my "near 90" mum can work her way through the interface...

                                My brother bought a 4K Panasonic TV (probably the same model as yours) and matching 4K player about a year ago - both are really top notch. Watching my 4K Bluray of Planet Earth II on his TV is almost surreal as it often looked like 3D reality stuck in the middle of his lounge. I bought a U-LED at a bargain basement price "changing model deal" at about the same time. Comparatively my "brand name TV" is rubbish in terms of build quality, and his Panasonic has a markedly better picture and "native sound". If I watched a lot of TV a 65" OLED Panasonic would be sitting in my lounge right now... As an audiophile, my Oppo UD205 is way in front of his player for audio (even in his 7.2 "earthquake zone / boom box" theatre system), however the pictures look identical. So my Oppo was about 3 times the price of his Panasonic and for our respective uses we both got it fairly correct.

                                TampIt
                                PS I am anti Sony after they surreptitiously installed a root kit on that infamous CD a while back. I.e. no user permission sought. If they cannot see that was completely unethical then they are no better than the pedophile priests that are being exposed far too often nowadays. Bastards one and all.

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