My feeling is that imposing quotas of any type is a flawed concept, I really don't care whether any administrating body is comprised of all women, all men or a mix of both, what is far more important is that the best able/qualified people are chosen regardless of gender.
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I think that gender quotas are a reaction to employers not picking the best person for the job.Originally posted by Yelta View PostMy feeling is that imposing quotas of any type is a flawed concept, I really don't care whether any administrating body is comprised of all women, all men or a mix of both, what is far more important is that the best able/qualified people are chosen regardless of gender.Last edited by woodhouse; 14 March 2019, 10:33 PM.
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Yeh well, she's just savouring familiar sights .Originally posted by EspressoAdventurer View PostHow could you not believe, what Ita tells you is true ?
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Yes, that's why we need quotas: without them it appears that middle aged white guys always seem to think that the "best able / qualified people" are other midddle aged white guys.Originally posted by Yelta View PostMy feeling is that imposing quotas of any type is a flawed concept, I really don't care whether any administrating body is comprised of all women, all men or a mix of both, what is far more important is that the best able/qualified people are chosen regardless of gender.
On the perfectly reasonable assumption that the most able people are spread across the population, quotas do not prevent the most able people being hired unless the hiring organisation is playing catchup because of an unbalanced previous hiring policy. In this case the fault is with the previous policy, not the quota.
BTW I'm a middle aged white guy, so this is not an argument from self interest.
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I think there's a lot truth in this. But where I work, in my division all of my seniors are (very well qualified) females who do a fantastic job. However, other parts of the organisation have very few female employees in general, and even fewer females in senior roles. And you can guess how the organisation sorts out the averages. As a consequence, I'm leaving a place that I've given 15 years to. It's a tricky one.Originally posted by Lyrebird View PostYes, that's whay we need quotas: without them it appears that middle aged white guys always seem to think that the "best able / qualified people" are other midddle aged white guys.
On the perfectly reasonable assumption that the most able people are spread across the population, quotas do not prevent the most able people being hired unless the hiring organisation is playing catchup because of an unbalanced previous hiring policy. In this case the fault is with the previous policy, not the quota.
BTW I'm a middle aged white guy, so this is not an argument from self interest.
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Totally agree Yelta. The primary consideration should be whether someone is best qualified and has the best experience/track record for the job. Consideration also needs to be given to as whether the candidate has the personality required to blend into a team or organisation and I believe any employer has the right to decide this. I don't agree with any prejudice based on race, sex, age etc. but also don't agree with imposed quotas, especially in government when a person's gender puts them in front of a better candidate. Key portfolios like defence need the absolute best candidate filling the job, not a politically motivated PC appointment. Equal opportunity doesn't exist in a quota system when the best candidates are excluded based on the quota definitions. This is also discrimination.Originally posted by Yelta View PostMy feeling is that imposing quotas of any type is a flawed concept, I really don't care whether any administrating body is comprised of all women, all men or a mix of both, what is far more important is that the best able/qualified people are chosen regardless of gender.
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Quotas are not discriminatory unless the organisation is correcting past discrimination, which is all too frequently the case.
For a case study of what happens when you don't apply quotas, look no further than the liberal / national parties. It is very difficult to believe there wasn't a smarter woman available in Dutton's electorate.
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Per Merriam-Webster:Originally posted by Lyrebird View PostThat's simply not true. Look up the definition of discrimination.
Definition of discrimination
1a : prejudiced or prejudicial outlook, action, or treatment racial discrimination
b : the act, practice, or an instance of discriminating categorically rather than individually
Definition of quota
1 : a proportional part or share especially : the share or proportion assigned to each in a division or to each member of a body
2 : the number or amount constituting a proportional share
3 : a fixed number or percentage of minority group members or women needed to meet the requirements of affirmative action
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