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    Caught an episode of Q&A this week which had Jordan Peterson on the panel. He is a clinical psychologist and a professor of psychology at the University of Toronto, I hadn't heard of him before so took him on face value but was a little shocked at how he was being constantly attacked. He seemed very articulate and when allowed, backed up any comments he made with researched facts. The thing that continually amazed me was how his comments were being twisted to try to fit someone else's narrative. It was as if some trigger words or phrases pushed the play button on the pre-recorded responses of his opponents. Maybe he plays the devil's advocate somewhat in an attempt to get people thinking rather than blindly following an agenda. My main observation was that his opponents don't seem to listen to or comprehend what he is saying in context but rather re-structure his comments out of context in a manner that suits their purposes.

    Here's another interview that clearly displays this tactic-

    https://www.theatlantic.com/politics...terson/550859/

    In case you're interested here's the Q&A episode-

    https://www.abc.net.au/qanda/2019-25-02/10811138

    He has quite a number of lectures on YouTube in his role as a Professor of Psychology which I found gave a better indication of where he's coming from. It's a shame his detractors don't have the ability to clearly listen to his words rather than react to their pre-determined triggers and miss the point totally in many cases.

    If you really want to exercise your comprehension skills, check out the Jordan Peterson & Russell Brand discussions on YouTube. High impact cerebral workouts.

    e.g. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r2S58rH0PAw
    Last edited by CafeLotta; 2 March 2019, 01:31 PM.

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    I wonder if the professor is recovering?

    "Peterson has been on a strict diet consisting only of meat and some vegetables, to control severe depression and an auto-immune disorder, He stopped eating any vegetables in mid-2018."

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jordan_Peterson

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    • #3
      Yes, saw that. He is somewhat controversial and often appeared exasperated by some of the hostility displayed towards him by panel and audience members. He published a self-help book last year called "12 Rules of Life: an Antidote to Chaos" which I'm yet to read but from what I've researched, appears to be a series of essays on how to deal with hardship and take responsibility for your life.
      “It’s all very well to think the meaning of life is happiness, but what happens when you’re unhappy? Happiness is a great side effect. When it comes, accept it gratefully. But it’s fleeting and unpredictable. It’s not something to aim at – because it’s not an aim. And if happiness is the purpose of life, what happens when you’re unhappy? Then you’re a failure. And perhaps a suicidal failure. Happiness is like cotton candy. It’s just not going to do the job.”
      That fits in with my own yin-yang philosophy (eg happiness doesn't exist without unhappiness) and life is a journey, not a quest to reach arbitrary goals. I'll reserve my opinion until I've read it.

      Peterson’s 12 rules


      Rule 1 Stand up straight with your shoulders back
      Rule 2 Treat yourself like you would someone you are responsible for helping
      Rule 3 Make friends with people who want the best for you
      Rule 4 Compare yourself with who you were yesterday, not with who someone else is today
      Rule 5 Do not let your children do anything that makes you dislike them
      Rule 6 Set your house in perfect order before you criticise the world
      Rule 7 Pursue what is meaningful (not what is expedient)
      Rule 8 Tell the truth – or, at least, don’t lie
      Rule 9 Assume that the person you are listening to might know something you don’t
      Rule 10 Be precise in your speech
      Rule 11 Do not bother children when they are skate-boarding
      Rule 12 Pet a cat when you encounter one on the street

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      • #4
        Interesting interview, I think it speaks reams about the interviewer and her technique, I'm sure journo's are trained to adopt adversarial attitudes in order to generate viewer interest/outrage, take your pick, lawyers excel in these methods.

        Unfortunately many, perhaps most viewers enjoy these (bear baiting) tactics, if the interviewer can rattle the victim so much the better.

        Will watch the Q&A interview as well as the Peterson Brand discussion later when I have a little more time.

        Thanks for a thought provoking post.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by flynnaus View Post
          Yes, saw that. He is somewhat controversial and often appeared exasperated by some of the hostility displayed towards him by panel and audience members.

          That fits in with my own yin-yang philosophy (eg happiness doesn't exist without unhappiness) and life is a journey, not a quest to reach arbitrary goals.
          I can understand his exasperation, seems the (perpetually offended) types feel only one side of a debate (theirs) should be allowed to see the light of day, in fact intelligent debate is rapidly becoming a thing of the past, if you disagree, disrupt or shout down.

          Re Yin and Yang, I feel the same about Coffee, food, wine etc, if you constantly partake of the finest it rapidly becomes the norm, where to from there?

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          • #6
            Originally posted by flynnaus View Post
            Yes, saw that. He is somewhat controversial and often appeared exasperated by some of the hostility displayed towards him by panel and audience members. He published a self-help book last year called "12 Rules of Life: an Antidote to Chaos" which I'm yet to read but from what I've researched, appears to be a series of essays on how to deal with hardship and take responsibility for your life.
            I think rather than controversial he is better seen as thought provoking. Having now viewed a few of his university lectures and interviews from a couple of years back, I get the feeling he is frustrated by lazy thinkers and those that jump aboard the "pseudo moralistic" and "virtue signalling" trains without a great deal of constructive thought.
            Last edited by CafeLotta; 2 March 2019, 01:27 PM.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Yelta View Post
              I can understand his exasperation, seems the (perpetually offended) types feel only one side of a debate (theirs) should be allowed to see the light of day, in fact intelligent debate is rapidly becoming a thing of the past, if you disagree, disrupt or shout down.
              That's why I found the Jordan Peterson/Russell Brand discussions a refreshing change. A little heavy going with the amount of concentration that was required on my part but a great example of intelligent, articulate and respectful discussion.

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              • #8
                I think the animosity towards him comes mainly from the fact that he espouses what some see as 'the old-fashioned' values of reality, rationality and responsibility.
                There are some who do not live in reality, function on emotion rather than rationality and do not wish to accept any responsibility for their behaviour.
                They look for the 'quick fix' to their problems which is often a tablet of some kind and prefer not to have to put any real effort into making their life a better place.

                That groups in our society try (and succeed) in stifling any views/opinions they do not like is outrageous and an indictment of the government/organisation that allows it to happen - more so if it is a university.
                Free speech and indeed anything other than blatant 'hate speech' or incitement to violence should be regarded as our greatest privilege in a free society and nobody should be allowed to attempt to stifle it.

                The Q&A program referred to was very entertaining and thought provoking due to the mix of personalities on the panel. I thought Peterson made sense on every issue he addressed.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by CafeLotta View Post
                  I think rather than controversial he is better seen as thought provoking. .
                  One can be both controversial and thought provoking.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by flynnaus View Post
                    ...He published a self-help book last year called "12 Rules of Life: an Antidote to Chaos"...
                    If self-help books really worked, there wouldn't need to be so many thousands of them out there. Most purporting to be life's one true path to fix whatever ails you.


                    Ps right up there with:
                    * One true religion.
                    * One true love.
                    And (the jury is still out on this one):
                    * One true technique for making great coffee.

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                    • #11
                      Yeah but you'd have to concede that it is more about the ability of individuals to help themselves than it is about the potential efficacy of the book/plan.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Rocky View Post
                        Yeah but you'd have to concede that it is more about the ability of individuals to help themselves than it is about the potential efficacy of the book/plan.
                        I would concede that it is more about the inability of individuals to help themselves. Why else would anyone buy these books?

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                        • #13
                          Yeah I like him, and have only heard of him recently. I found nothing he said to be offensive, and definitely found it refreshing.

                          Yeh you can see easily those that have an agenda and a particular worldview when they're questioning him. They only filter what he says through the context and perception they live in and often it just infuriates them even more.

                          Pseudo-moralistic folk tend to jump onto some cause/movement in order to project their own guilt/anger onto the world, what they want to disown and not face. Peterson calls them out on this, love it!

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                          • #14
                            The reason he gets up so many noses is because of controversial views like these:

                            “The idea that women were oppressed throughout history is an appalling theory.”
                            Islamophobia is “a word created by fascists and used by cowards to manipulate morons”.
                            White privilege is “a Marxist lie”.
                            Believing that gender identity is subjective is “as bad as claiming that the world is flat”.

                            For a different perspective, have a read of
                            https://bigthink.com/21st-century-sp...deas-explained

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by flynnaus View Post
                              One can be both controversial and thought provoking.
                              One can also set out to be controversial or just be held up as controversial by those who don't agree with your point of view.
                              Last edited by CafeLotta; 4 March 2019, 10:09 AM.

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