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  • #16
    Originally posted by CafeLotta View Post
    One can also set out to be controversial or just be held up as controversial by those who don't agree with your point of view.
    True. You made that point in your OP (speculating whether Peterson is playing the devil's advocate). Controversy is ultimately determined by the audience rather than the speaker (ie it's up to the listener to decide whether they agree or disagree).

    Given my previous post, are you still surprised that Professor Peterson's views are attacked?

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    • #17
      Originally posted by flynnaus View Post
      Given my previous post, are you still surprised that Professor Peterson's views are attacked?
      Not surprised at all when context is ignored. Certain alleged comments taken in isolation rather than in the context of his full narrative are not a true representation of his intended message in my opinion. An individual's personal interpretation and their willingness or ability to unbiasedly hear what is said rather than what they choose to hear can lead to offence when none was originally intended.

      The label of being Controversial is largely used as a demeaning insult these days. A minority of very vocal individuals hell bent on pushing their agendas declaring him to be controversial isn't surprising. When the ability to listen to an opposing viewpoint is lost, personal insults and a mission to tear someone down usually follows.

      Professor Peterson has stated that like people in general, he has his flaws. One that he mentions is that these days he has a quick temper. This can be seen in a number of interviews he has done when the interviewer has stopped listening and is only interested in pursuing a strategy of attacking him. Personally I admire his restraint and can understand his frustration with people's inability to just listen and hear what is being said. This is when I believe he begins to play the Devil's Advocate.

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      • #18
        Unfortunately, just like the rest of us, even our intellectual elites always turn out to be 'all too human'.
        'Dear Leader' for life? No thanks.

        Ps opinions are like a***holes - everyone's got one.

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        • #19
          Hmmm. So, the professor is really good at explaining, by means of biological evolution, how we as a species ended up where we presently are. He is also convincing (or at least convinced) in how he points to solutions to all our problems, again with the help of evolution. But staying with "what lobsters do, we must do" does not provide a way forward. And that's where I think he really fails. The circumstances are such that if we sit back and just let evolution do its job, it will soon enough be without us.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by knastoer View Post
            ........But staying with "what lobsters do, we must do" does not provide a way forward. And that's where I think he really fails" ..........
            My interpretation is that he is simply pointing out certain behaviours/traits are hardwired into us and other species through evolution and genetics. He doesn't suggest we sit back and let evolution do it's job but rather recognise it's influence upon us. The lobster analogy for some reason seems to have people pre-occupied with lobsters (Yum).

            He offers his opinions based on years of practising as a clinical Psychologist, study and research which led him to become a Professor of Psychology and obviously has an extensive depth of knowledge in regard to research data to back up his comments.

            I think one of the reasons people misinterpret what he is saying is that they tend to quickly skim over the non-sensationalist content about him online. He can be long winded at times and wander off on tangents in an attempt to have closed minded people hear what he is actually saying when they continually choose not to.
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            • #21
              Originally posted by OCD View Post
              I would concede that it is more about the inability of individuals to help themselves. Why else would anyone buy these books?
              Maybe to broaden their frame of reference? ........."The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results."

              (Ignorance rather than insanity might be a better fit in this classic quote).

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              • #22
                Dignity and respect were displayed in abundance along with a thorough knowledge of his chosen field by Jordan Peterson.

                His ability to maintain composure while answering questions from those with obvious barrows to push is remarkable.

                One of the comments made during the debate was questioning the inability of left wingers to respond to disagreement with their views without becoming angry/hostile or resorting to interruption.

                The antagonistic young woman in the audience was promptly put in her place when she addressed her question to "Peterson" when he first referenced respect in his reply to her, as I've commented recently elsewhere, to gain respect you must first show respect.
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                • #23
                  Originally posted by CafeLotta View Post
                  Maybe to broaden their frame of reference? ........."The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results."

                  (Maybe ignorance should replace insanity in this classic quote).
                  Morning CafeLotta.

                  Re the self help question, we see it displayed constantly right here on Coffee Snobs, some can and some cant.

                  To many of among us the simple things in life remains a constant mystery, right down to the basic task of making a cup of coffee.
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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by Yelta View Post
                    Morning CafeLotta.

                    Re the self help question, we see it displayed constantly right here on Coffee Snobs, some can and some cant.

                    To many of among us the simple things in life remains a constant mystery, right down to the basic task of making a cup of coffee.
                    Largely a legacy of the internet age. Look to a screen for step by step instructions without much (if any) analysis of the information provided to you. The ability to gather information from multiple souces, digest it and make an informed decision of you own is quickly disappearing.

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                    • #25
                      Is the sheep that has broken away from the flock always the one that is lost?

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by CafeLotta View Post
                        Largely a legacy of the internet age. Look to a screen for step by step instructions without much (if any) analysis of the information provided to you. The ability to gather information from multiple souces, digest it and make an informed decision of you own is quickly disappearing.
                        I tend to agree, though the internet can be a valuable resource, if your able to sort the sh!t from the clay.
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                        • #27
                          This is a great thread, finding I'm hitting the "Like" button repeatedly, lol.
                          CafeLotta, agree with you about the effects of the internet age, perhaps we'll grow out of it eventually? Sadly the ability to sift through the information available without favour and then process to reach an informed decision is fast becoming a lost life skill.
                          Its human nature really for many, after all why go to all that "bother" when there's a sugar-coated, gift-wrapped solution right in front of you?
                          Not big on the whole herd-following thing, prefer to do my own digging and sifting. I enjoy a good mystery, lol.

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by Kjarsheim View Post
                            Sadly the ability to sift through the information available without favour and then process to reach an informed decision is fast becoming a lost life skill.
                            Its human nature really for many, after all why go to all that "bother" when there's a sugar-coated, gift-wrapped solution right in front of you?
                            Quite true. I think that it will become an increasingly essential life skill to be able to discern a gift-wrapped solution from one wrapped in wool.

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by CafeLotta View Post
                              Quite true. I think that it will become an increasingly essential life skill to be able to discern a gift-wrapped solution from one wrapped in wool.

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                              Probably a little more PC/less vulgar than my simile.

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                              • #30
                                Something else that is becoming more and more obvious over time, is the lack of the ability by a lot of people to even ask the right questions, notwithstanding to then be able to discern which information is pertinent to the resolution of the problem...

                                Mal.

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