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  • Greenpeace Founder: ‘Climate Change Crisis’ Is a ‘Completely Made-Up Issue’

    Here's a thought provoking article, have to say I've had my doubts re the motives of Greenpeace over recent years.


    "Greenpeace co-founder and former president of Greenpeace Canada Patrick Moore described the left’s “climate change” narrative as a “hoax” and “completely made-up issue” in a Wednesday interview on SiriusXM’s Breitbart News Tonight with host Rebecca Mansour and special guest host Dylan Gwinn."

    https://www.breitbart.com/radio/2019...made-up-issue/

  • #2
    Breitbart? Such an impartial source.

    Moore sounds like a wolf in sheep’s clothing.

    https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/pa...imate-doubter/

    Or

    https://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/Patrick_Moore
    Scroll down to the section about Roundup to get an understanding of Moore's integrity (yes, Roundup is a herbicide, not an insecticide but that doesn't change the impression provided by the interview transcript).
    On Drinking Monsanto's Roundup Pesticide Ingredient

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    • #3
      Motives of Greenpeace are immaterial to facts of climate change. Greenpeace may advocate and gather some data but they are not the world-wide body of scientists who have done, are doing, and validating the research.

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      • #4
        Come on guys, don't shoot the messenger, as I said thought provoking, as far as partiality goes, show me an impartial news source in this day and age, they all seem to have an axe to grind.

        Guess my OP has at least opened up a controversial topic at the end of a week of meaningless political argy bargy.

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        • #5
          Mmmm...my attacks were on Patrick Moore and Breitbart, not on you. There are websites that offer balanced views if I look hard enough but that perception depends on the position of the reader.

          But you knew climate chnge is always going to be a controversial topic. May as well be politics or religion

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Yelta View Post
            Here's a thought provoking article, have to say I've had my doubts re the motives of Greenpeace over recent years.
            I have come across utube videos by Patrick Moore and have found his approach to Climate Change sensible and refreshing. The point Patrick Moore makes with Greenpeace is that he was no longer radical enough to remain and was excluded notwithstanding his co-founder status and his contribution has been expunged. Patrick Moore has come full circle and is no longer a prophet of doom. He is not the only one to have changed his mind and in common with others who have done so is ridiculed by his former co-travelers. This topic is always sure to be controversial. Each to their own views. Yelta this is certainly thought provoking, but interesting.

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            • #7
              Sadly, not each to their own planet.

              in case you missed it, what Moore thinks is entirely immaterial, as is what I think,compared with verifiable knowledge, and the latter is found in the consensus of scientific research, not breitbart.

              The thought Moore’s opinion provoked in me was much the same as when Abbott knighted Prince Phillip. Wtf? And that is the extent and significance of the “controversy”.

              There are other places where this subject can be trolled or debated. I like the fact that this site focusses mainly on coffee, where the impacts of anthropogenic climate change on cultivation are already being considered.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by beensean View Post
                Sadly, not each to their own planet...
                My mother once told me that if I didn't keep my room clean I would end up living in a pigsty. At the time I thought she was just trying to p**s me off. What's true for my room should, by extension, be true for the planet as a whole.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by beensean View Post
                  ...There are other places where this subject can be trolled or debated...
                  "Off Topic
                  Nothing to do with coffee except it might be something that you would discuss over your favourite brew".

                  One would hope that we are mature enough to debate controversial topics without getting our nickers overly in a knot. We have had some doozies.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by OCD View Post
                    "Off Topic
                    Nothing to do with coffee except it might be something that you would discuss over your favourite brew".

                    One would hope that we are mature enough to debate controversial topics without getting our nickers overly in a knot. We have had some doozies.
                    i think the 'other places' refer to fringe forums which might 'discuss' other such topics like flat-earth or anti-vaccination conspiracies.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by OCD View Post
                      We have had some doozies.
                      Yes! we have haven't we?

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by beensean View Post

                        There are other places where this subject can be trolled or debated.
                        The forum we are in is titled "Off Topic" for obvious reasons.

                        There is no compulsion to engage in any discussion here.

                        Most seem to be able to express an opinion without getting their knickers in a twist, however there are the odd few that take any opinion that differs from their own as a personal affront.

                        As far as climate change is concerned, I certainly have views

                        Our planet is changing, but that's been happening for millions of years without any input from humans.

                        I have no doubt we are polluting the atmosphere, decimating rain forests, polluting rivers, filling the oceans and rivers with crap and wiping out species- all things that can be controlled, not eliminated, with a bit more freaking common sense and care.

                        Climate, land masses and oceans will continue to change as they have for eons.

                        The biggest problem we face is over population along with the constant push for procreation and preservation of human life, no matter how feeble, no one really seems to want to address it, scientists may come up with an answer, tree huggers and religious zealots most certainly won't.

                        The planet will continue to evolve regardless of what we do.

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                        • #13
                          Agree with some of that Yelta.
                          Overpopulation needs to be addressed. It will be difficult to achieve though. Our economic system relies on growth in a finite world. It doesn't need much forward thinking to see the problems associated with that

                          As far as climate change, the science states there are links between atmospheric CO2 and temperature rise. We are seeing the results. Temperature rise and icemelt.
                          Yes it has happened before. However we need to look at the timelines. Over thousands if not millions of years. We are changing things in a geological nanosecond. Nobody knows the result.
                          Given the planet is the basis of our existence and we have no alternative, it makes sense to mitigate our emissions and slow the rate of change.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Yelta View Post
                            The planet will continue to evolve regardless of what we do.
                            Whether we're here or not but at least we are supposed (collectively) to have the intelligence and wherewithal to both learn from and correct our mistakes. It's the latter that I have concerns about and the impact on the rest of the planet's inhabitants...

                            Mal.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Yelta View Post
                              As far as climate change is concerned, I certainly have views
                              As you have the right to do but let's take each one by one:
                              Our planet is changing, but that's been happening for millions of years without any input from humans.
                              Undisputed, but what is clear is that the rate of change is much greater now than any time in human history, that began in the mid-19th C, and which more than 97% of scientists agree has been caused to a large degree by humankind.
                              https://www.climatechangeinaustralia...change/trends/

                              I have no doubt we are polluting the atmosphere, decimating rain forests, polluting rivers, filling the oceans and rivers with crap and wiping out species- all things that can be controlled, not eliminated, with a bit more freaking common sense and care.
                              Yes, but our politicians refuse to act because of the lack of vision beyond the next election. When action is proposed, the cry is often 'think of the jobs'. Unfortunately that needs to become 'think of the planet' and jobs and environment aren't mutually exclusive concepts.
                              One of the arguments thrown up against emission control is that we are small fish in a big pond and our small emission reduction contribution would be more than offset by the bigger polluters. I say this is like saying I'm going to drop this bit of paper on the ground as there is already lots of rubbish around and one less piece isn't going to make any difference. Well it does make a difference: it's about the power of one, and if everyone makes the effort to clean up their own crap, the collective effort will make a big difference.

                              Climate, land masses and oceans will continue to change as they have for eons.
                              At present, it's the rate and type of change that's of concern.

                              The biggest problem we face is over population along with the constant push for procreation and preservation of human life, no matter how feeble, no one really seems to want to address it, scientists may come up with an answer, tree huggers and religious zealots most certainly won't.
                              I think scientists have provided the answers eg renewable energy, better farming, more efficient systems. These are still developing.
                              The problem of population control is complex. We tend to rely on population growth so future generations can support current ones but will we have the resources to sustain future populations? It's up to our politicians to formulate policy and that has to occur cooperatively at every level of government. That won't happen until they put ideology aside and work to a common goal. Unfortunately, as I type this, I have a feeling that that will never happen.

                              The planet will continue to evolve regardless of what we do.
                              It might. It might also devolve to the point of mass extinction if we don't do anything.
                              Let's say for arguments sake that the science of climate change is not settled what should we do, throw up our hands and say nothing we do will make any difference or have a crack at cleaning up our shit? I think the latter is a better approach than hoping for the best.

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