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  • #16
    As good as they were in their day I would be very cautious about buying one second hand and expecting it to perform as new, I suspect repairs and parts would be a problem as well.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by Jackster View Post
      Would a 110v one work here with just a diode to drop the voltage?
      Ummm, I'm not sure how your diode is going to drop voltage, me thinks you shouldn't be fiddling with live voltage Jackster, you might let the smoke out.


      Originally posted by Yelta View Post
      must be heaps of them around in SH shops etc
      Most of our local second hand shops won't take electrical items due to OH&S and liability reasons so all that good stuff goes into landfill now.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by Andy View Post
        Most of our local second hand shops won't take electrical items due to OH&S and liability reasons so all that good stuff goes into landfill now.
        Ah yes, the age we live in, as I said in my previous post to this thread, I'd be pretty cautious about buying a 50 year old electrical appliance.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by Andy View Post
          Ummm, I'm not sure how your diode is going to drop voltage, me thinks you shouldn't be fiddling with live voltage Jackster, you might let the smoke out.
          Ah yes, sorry
          Only a theoretical question. Not something I would seriously consider doing.

          Being so well engineered, it probably only need the elements configuration changing in order to convert to 240v.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by Andy View Post
            Ummm, I'm not sure how your diode is going to drop voltage
            The diode is a half wave rectifier so it turns the sinusoidal 230V RMS input into a very ugly 115V RMS out (ignoring diode loss). Since the thermal lag of the wire is evidently a second or more, it will act as a very nice RMS converter* and ignore the ugliness.




            *Equivalent heating power is the very definition of RMS. True fact: back when computing power was expensive, HP made a true RMS voltmeter that worked by using the input to heat a lump of metal, using a DC voltage to heat an identical lump of metal to the same temperature and measuring the DC voltage.

            Edit: It was the HP3400A. The more recent HP 3403C and Fluke 8920A use the same pronciple.

            Last edited by Lyrebird; 9 May 2019, 01:01 PM.

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            • #21
              I’ve just been told the real solution to my problem with my toaster is to buy better quality bread. I was told the better quality breads don’t break apart into larger pieces in the toaster and only produce smaller finer crumbs, that the crumb tray will cope easier with.

              I’ve been buying the cheaper store brand of bread, like at Woolworths and Coles. So, if I buy other brands of bread, like Tip Top (for example), will my problem go away?
              Last edited by pamount; 9 May 2019, 12:06 PM.

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              • #22
                The better the bread the better the toast. Panini bread makes great toast. If you want to go down the sliced bread route, I find Lawsons the best if you can get it in your area. You'll get better results if your bread isn't fresh, stale is best. Whether this will help with your crumb problem is a moot point.

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                • #23
                  After a bad run with toasters (electrical faults mostly), which the shop had the nerve to suggest it was because we hadn't emptied the crumbs out... we never bought another one and have been using a sandwich press we had anyway. If you buy real bread from a sourdough bakery, it's the best way to toast it. No burning, no collected crumbs, heats the toast up as well as toasts its... just won't play nice with that supermarket fluff without you putting a teaspoon in as a spacer. I hate toasters.

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                  • #24
                    Dads plaited up bit of fencing wire, with hand formed trident at the bread end, combined with the red embers from a open fire produces the best toast.
                    Fresh bread so it's still soft and moist on the inside, and a thin toasted layer on the outside. Takes about 10sec to toast each side. Then topped with butter and Mums homemade apricot jam (with the kernals in). Goodbye to a whole loaf of bread right there...

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Lyrebird View Post
                      The diode is a half wave rectifier so it turns the sinusoidal 230V RMS input into a very ugly 115V RMS out (ignoring diode loss). Since the thermal lag of the wire is evidently a second or more, it will act as a very nice RMS converter* and ignore the ugliness.




                      *Equivalent heating power is the very definition of RMS. True fact: back when computing power was expensive, HP made a true RMS voltmeter that worked by using the input to heat a lump of metal, using a DC voltage to heat an identical lump of metal to the same temperature and measuring the DC voltage.

                      Edit: It was the HP3400A. The more recent HP 3403C and Fluke 8920A use the same pronciple.

                      That's easy for you to say.

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by Jackster View Post
                        Dads plaited up bit of fencing wire, with hand formed trident at the bread end, combined with the red embers from a open fire produces the best toast.
                        Fresh bread so it's still soft and moist on the inside, and a thin toasted layer on the outside. Takes about 10sec to toast each side. Then topped with butter and Mums homemade apricot jam (with the kernals in). Goodbye to a whole loaf of bread right there...
                        The closest your going to get to that type of toast is with a Dualit, they never go wrong - pre Chinese toaster, simple robust quality.
                        We have two the new bought one is now twenty years old, never missed a beat.
                        The really old model I got second hand off eBay and lives in an off road camper that regularly shakes my fillings out, also never missed a beat.
                        It's "CoffeeSnobs" quality toast.
                        (Really jealous of your mums apricot jam though).

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by Lyrebird View Post
                          The diode is a half wave rectifier so it turns the sinusoidal 230V RMS input into a very ugly 115V RMS out (ignoring diode loss). Since the thermal lag of the wire is evidently a second or more, it will act as a very nice RMS converter* and ignore the ugliness.




                          *Equivalent heating power is the very definition of RMS. True fact: back when computing power was expensive, HP made a true RMS voltmeter that worked by using the input to heat a lump of metal, using a DC voltage to heat an identical lump of metal to the same temperature and measuring the DC voltage.

                          Edit: It was the HP3400A. The more recent HP 3403C and Fluke 8920A use the same pronciple.

                          Yes, I read about this. Apparently....
                          Originally power was delivered as dc. When it was decided to change to ac, the voltage was selected to give the same heating power as the DC it was replacing. So it's 240v RMS, but that is 270(ish)v peak.

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by Jackster View Post
                            240v RMS, but that is 270(ish)v peak.
                            The multiple is SQRT2 for sinewave supply, so 240V RMS is ~340V Peak.

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                            • #29
                              I saw an old Sunbeam auto toaster for repair a few months ago. Cool design.

                              This particular toaster had one failed element. There is nobody selling replacement elements and the element ends are crimped/tack welded (one of the two, wasn't quite sure from looking at it) onto the power rails. Outside of custom winding a new element and then somehow securely affixing it to the power rail, there was nothing I could do. From a commercial standpoint I couldn't justify spending more time on it, I hope one day someone can spend the time on it and work out a way to replace that element.

                              The only toaster I recommend people to buy are the Dualit range. They're expensive in comparison to your chain store brands but last forever and parts are readily available in Australia and overseas.
                              The Sunbeam Cafe Series toaster also has replaceable elements but for a few months now there has been no stock of new elements. Unsure whether they will even be restocked, probably not.

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by Jackster View Post
                                Dads plaited up bit of fencing wire, with hand formed trident at the bread end, combined with the red embers from a open fire produces the best toast.
                                Fresh bread so it's still soft and moist on the inside, and a thin toasted layer on the outside. Takes about 10sec to toast each side. Then topped with butter and Mums homemade apricot jam (with the kernals in). Goodbye to a whole loaf of bread right there...
                                Spot on Jackster, doesn't come any better, we do similar during the winter months with a toasting fork when the combustion heater has burned to a nice bed of embers, as you say, slathered with butter and jam/topping of your choice.

                                Needless to say we also have a toasting fork we carry in the motor home, for use when camping.

                                Not my pic, stole it from Google.
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