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  • #16
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    LOL.

    People think I show maturity and wisdom now, almost 30 years later.

    I wonder if theyve got it the wrong way around.

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    • #17
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      I agree with both Greg and Thundergod....

      There are young people that are very responsible, mature and would make excellent role models but we (the parents of our children) dont heap praise on them, or encourage our children to be like them..... but we do so with sporting "stars"...

      Unfortunately sporting people live life in the fast lane - they have to as they are all too soon burnt out. They have a very narrow (and false) view of life and yet we put them on a pedestal and worship them..... and naturally so do our children. I dont believe these people want to be idols - they do of course want the money...... and they, in the main, arent suitable people to be role models.

      Those who should be role models are deemed too boring, too uninteresting - dare I say it too "normal"!!

      I recently had a discussion with the Principal of my sons private school here in Perth where bulling had become a serious issue. Those participating in this pursuit were, in the main, sports "jocks" where the over the top competitiveness and slagging of the opposition are a way of life...

      The concern I had is that this school puts far more emphasis on sport than academic achievement.... and the Headmaster agreed that this was both true - and unhealthy - and wants to change this attitude.

      The answer is not to condemn those who we have chosen to place on the pedestal when things go pear shaped - as they generally will - but to choose more appropriate people to use as role models in the first place.

      There are plenty of young (and not so young) people who would make a great role model - all it needs is the desire to make it so. And sporting hero worship is not the way to go.

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      • #18
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        It is a difficult ideal to aim for.
        You have the media to fight for a start.

        My children never suffered from peer pressure and never idolised any sports stars.
        Maybe because they achieved enough themselves through karate.

        My daughter is already a good role model at 23.

        She has a black belt in karate and holds a Level 1 Coaching Certificate accredited by the Australian Institute of Sport.

        She recently got herself a 3 month secondment at work which will hopefully lead to further career progression.

        Today she signed the paperwork for her first new car (courtesy of the pay rise from the new job).
        (Ive never owned a new car)

        She finished Uni last year; 2 degrees!

        Last year she also bought a house, which shes renting out until she gets married.

        She puts 100% effort into everything she does.

        Shes been that way all her life.

        When she was 2 years old we found her on the floor of her bedroom studiously beavering away with papers and crayons.

        When we asked her what she was doing, she replied "homework".

        It seems she was jealous of her brother who had just started kindy.

        Of course her mother and I have to take a little credit.

        Yet Shane Warne blamed his mom for that tablet incident. Tut, tut.

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        • #19
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          I think many agree that these people arent the ideal people as role models, however the fact is they are by virtue of their exposure to us all and they will continue to be as long as theres a media. That being the case, they are human so they will fail like everyone else (despite their large financial incentives not to), and therefore it reinforces the whole point that they need to be treated like everyone else, and given a second chance like everyone else. Expecting perfection and resorting to satirical jibes when they inevitably fail is both unrealistic and unfair.

          BTW TG nice work with your daughter! Mines only two so weve got a way to go yet!

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          • #20
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            Thanks.

            With a father as particular as yourself, she should see that hard work and attention to detail are appreciated.

            Your tampers are things of beauty that will appreciated for many lifetimes.

            If she finds for herself something similar, something she does well that people appreciate, she will be happy.

            And what father doesnt want happiness for his children?

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            • #21
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              I agree TG, it is important to bring up your children to be honest with themselves first, and to see each individual as just that ..individual, not prejudging but accepting and then doing with the relationship as the see fit, that is an important lesson to teach our kids.

              Our 4 yo has also been doing "homework for 2 years hmmm.


              Oh, getting back to the topic of this thread, as it has been hijacked in a pleasant way........................

              GO PIES







              Originally posted by Thundergod link=1189173949/15#17 date=1189258648
              It is a difficult ideal to aim for.
              You have the media to fight for a start.

              My children never suffered from peer pressure and never idolised any sports stars.
              Maybe because they achieved enough themselves through karate.

              My daughter is already a good role model at 23.

              She has a black belt in karate and holds a Level 1 Coaching Certificate accredited by the Australian Institute of Sport.

              She recently got herself a 3 month secondment at work which will hopefully lead to further career progression.

              Today she signed the paperwork for her first new car (courtesy of the pay rise from the new job).
              (Ive never owned a new car)

              She finished Uni last year; 2 degrees!

              Last year she also bought a house, which shes renting out until she gets married.

              She puts 100% effort into everything she does.

              Shes been that way all her life.

              When she was 2 years old we found her on the floor of her bedroom studiously beavering away with papers and crayons.

              When we asked her what she was doing, she replied "homework".

              It seems she was jealous of her brother who had just started kindy.

              Of course her mother and I have to take a little credit.

              Yet Shane Warne blamed his mom for that tablet incident. Tut, tut.

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              • #22
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                Ive enjoyed reading the intelligent & reflective opinions expressed on this thread - its obviously a subject that invokes passionate thoughts, especially amongst those with kids (I have 3 year old twin boys, so can totally understand). I agree on the whole with the common tone underlying all comments, that being that we tend to dismiss reckless behaviour commited by high profile sports characters vis-a-vis drugs (I refuse to call them stars or heroes as this just perpetuates the whole separate, undeserved pedestal status that the media builds them up to be). Id just add that drugs & sport have been closely linked for quite a while, and todays sporting culture is just a modern version of the old days. I remember watching Wide World of Sports 25 odd years ago as a testosterone fuelled teenager & seeing certain brands of tobacco companies advertised EVERYWHERE - especially the cricket. Also what about Boony guzzling down a carton of stubbies on a flight from Oz to the UK & setting some sort of record - then being bloody praised for it? The drugs & the hero-worship have always been there, just today the drugs are different. Id also add another word that I cant recall anyone yet talking about - respect. Starts in the home with us as parents defining the moral boundaries. Its interesting seeing my boys develop, because as twins they get to test the boundaries with each other & theyre at the same stage of learning - sharing has been drummed into them right from the beginning, & it pays dividends when I see them play/interact with their mates. Anyway Ill get off the ol soapbox - I need a long macc after all that tiring thinking!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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                • #23
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                  Im not an AFL support so cant stay on topic.

                  At karate I teach Respect & Discipline.

                  1- Respect for fellow students.
                  2- Respect for ones self.
                  3- Self discipline.
                  4- Discipline (from me).

                  If the students have enough of 1, 2 & 3 theres never any need for 4.

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                  • #24
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                    Originally posted by Thundergod link=1189173949/15#22 date=1189309181
                    Im not an AFL support so cant stay on topic.

                    At karate I teach Respect & Discipline.

                    1- Respect for fellow students.
                    2- Respect for ones self.
                    3- Self discipline.
                    4- Discipline (from me).

                    If the students have enough of 1, 2 & 3 theres never any need for 4.
                    Thundergod,

                    That is the difference between a pursuit with real moral standards and something like football where winning is the only goal and nothing less is acceptable..... things like sledging, intimidating your opponent, even physically targeting certain good players is part of the sport and encouraged..... And much of this occurs behind the play!

                    Respect in football.... whats that????? : :

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                    • #25
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                      Totally agree TG - I did a bit of tae-kwon-do at Uni, & it definitely helped me focus & appreciate the importance of respect & discipline. Didnt continue with it after Uni though ... that would explain the lack of self-discipline when it comes to drinking too much coffee!!!!!!

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                      • #26
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                        Well said JavaB.

                        Karate is a way of life.
                        Football type sports are completely different.

                        Ive always thought the team aspect makes some sort of difference.
                        When you are in a ring fighting someone else, theres no one else to help you.
                        It comes down to the individuals own skill and resolve.

                        Then theres the "forms" competitions.
                        Thats all about perfecting a set routine of moves.
                        Definitely an individual pursuit.


                        Go the cats!

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                        • #27
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                          Come on grasshopper ... Im sure intimidation also occurs in karate as a strategic tool to weaken the resolve of ones opponent???

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                          • #28
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                            True.

                            I once congratulated a competitor in the junior section of a competition on his 2nd place.
                            He was confused as he hadnt yet fought the match.

                            At the time I had progressed convincingly to the final match for the senior division and this poor kids opponent was my younger cousin.

                            I merely explained that my cousin could beat me.

                            All polite, no sledging, very civil.
                            (My cousin won)

                            Go the pies.

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                            • #29
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                              I like your style mate , and i agree with 123...........4
                              I started Judo at school age 9 finished as a smartass at age 21, trained with Ceberano for a few years then with a teacher at school for a number of years doing karate!!!(15 in all this discipline),
                              At 17 I was small and working as a bouncer......I reckon I had maybe 3 fight in 4 years, fighting is for dopes . the discipline I learned taught me how to talk, relate,understand and respect,Works wonders.

                              Go pies.

                              (greatr grandfather grandfather father me mine ......all pies must be in the dna!!)

                              Originally posted by Thundergod link=1189173949/15#27 date=1189318619
                              True.

                              I once congratulated a competitor in the junior section of a competition on his 2nd place.
                              He was confused as he hadnt yet fought the match.

                              At the time I had progressed convincingly to the final match for the senior division and this poor kids opponent was my younger cousin.

                              I merely explained that my cousin could beat me.

                              All polite, no sledging, very civil.
                              (My cousin won)

                              Go the pies.

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                              • #30
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                                Lucinda and Coastal,

                                Enjoy your AFL finals series.

                                The light you see at the end of the tunnel is GEELONG thundering towards you!

                                :-)

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